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August catcher rankingsby Jesse SakstrupJuly 31, 2012 Jesse is a sociology major at Michigan State University, with a particular interest in social psychology. Contact him by email at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address), or via twitter @JesseSakstrup. Comments
Will said...
some of these rankings are way off IMO…here are a few things that i just dont understand 1.)dont see Napoli as being #1…Posey, Mauer, McCann, Montero, and Santana have all been hitting much better either for the entire season, or recently when talking Santana and McCann 2.) Carlos Ruiz is ranked too low…i know all the peripherals and guys at FanGraphs will tell you that Ruiz is just gonna fall off the map sometime soon, just like Ryan Vogelsong and CJ Wilson and every other stud who doesnt excel in the various peripheral stats they seem to consider more important than the actual counting stats that matter in fantasy…thats a whole other story though…never understand that…if a guy produces in W-L, QS, ERA, WHIP, and BAA like Vogelsong is still valued like Justin Masterson or worse…makes no sense…getting back to Chooch…at what point are people gonna realize that this guy has been essentially a .300 hitter for the last 3 years or so…and that his power is starting to develop finally? 3.) Avila, JPA(DL), Salty, Soto, Buck, and a few others are all ranked way too high…Avila has been horrific this year unless you play in an OBP league…if hes lucky he gets maybe 1 hit a night, he doesnt play against lefties for the most part, and hes hitting 8th in the lineup, whereas last year he was hitting like 6th 4.) THe rankings of Ramon Hernandez and Willin Rosario actually made me laugh out loud. How can you have a guy whose hitting below the Mendoza line ahead of the likes of Grandal/Doumit?...i mean this cant be serious…you cant honestly have Rosario behind Chris Snyder? Jason Castro? Josh Thole? Kurt Suzuki?...did i miss something or is he not leading all catchers in HR with 16?...on pace to hit over 20? as a rookie more or less…and i think its a huge reach to say Hernandez is going to get 100+ ABs…i think if the rockies have any sense at all, they will play Rosario close to 75% of the remaning games…his power is real. i just am honestly flabergasted at how low hes ranked. it blows my mind. even moved up into the mid-20s….who would ever take John Buck or Rod Barajas, both of which arent even the best catcher on their team, ahead of Rosario? IMO, he should be slotted right around 9-12….whats the difference between he and Salty?...or he and JPA?...other than that Rosario is actually having a better year…i understand in Roto hes not as valuable, but hes still more valuable than ANYONE listed past Chooch…Wieters, Lucroy, Perez should all be further up as well…you could make an argument for them ahead of Rosario…what really takes the cake though?...the fact that you have Derek Norris, who was so bad in Oakland, that they traded for the Brewers #3 catcher who had just been DFA’d so they could send Norris back to the minors, ahead of Rosario. come on. that just ruins your cred. heres my top 20 1.) Buster Posey—not even close for me sleeper pick: Steve Clevenger—clear path to playing time now…dont think Wellington Castillo will play more than 2 games per week…hits righties well…decent pop…could be Lucroy-like IMO…also, i kinda like Kottaras…i think he will start at least 3 games per week in Oakland as a LH batter…certainly worth a peak in AL-Only or deep 2-catcher leagues Posted 07/31 at 11:43 AM
Nick Fleder said...
Will, these rankings have Chooch as a .300 hitter in these rankings, but you’re overstating his power gains. A lot of it has to do with luck - HR/FB% fluctuates heavily based on luck, and, well, Chooch is getting lucky. His 16.5% mark is more than twice his career mark and is in the ballpark of 4x his rate from last season. Six of his homers so far this season have had “Just Enough” to make it out - meaning on a day with normal wind, or perhaps in a larger park, they wouldn’t have. Explore it a little more here (http://hittrackeronline.com/detail.php?id=2012_155&type=hitter), but just because he’s been excellent and has previously been overrated doesn’t mean he’ll continue at an unsustainable rate. Posted 07/31 at 12:18 PM
Scott M. said...
Jesus Montero not listed? He has 38 games played at catcher, and I would assume that earns eligibility everywhere. Posted 07/31 at 03:14 PM
Jesse Sakstrup said...
@Will: These rankings have been created using a combination of Oliver—a computer generated projection system—and my and Jeff Gross’ fantasy valuation formulas. Both Oliver and our valuation methods look at players through an objective, numbers-oriented lens, that is what makes them unique to the dozens of rankers out there using their own whims and gut calls to formulate rankings. Oliver isn’t prefect, but there is a reason why it is regarded as one of the best projection systems around, why THT had partnered with Brian Cartwright and his Oliver forecasts, and why people pay good money to access the updated Oliver forecasts throughout the year. They are pretty valuable. This ranking is based on Oliver’s rest of season rankings, which takes most of the bias and subjection out. This makes it unique. Not perfect, but unique. Hopefully if certain players are ranked in spots that you disagree with you will try to understand why before you criticize. And if I feel that Oliver has something wrong, I will explain that in The analysis portion. Just make sure you read the whole article, not just the ranking section. Posted 07/31 at 04:00 PM
Jesse Sakstrup said...
@Scott M: Posted 07/31 at 04:10 PM
Jesse Sakstrup said...
For a reference, I just ran the values generated by the ZiPS ROS projections (found on FanGraphs), and the rankings were similar. I like the ZiPS-driven ordering a bit better in some cases—Napoli, Rosario, Avila, Saltalamacchia, Miguel Montero—actually. Posted 07/31 at 04:26 PM
Jesse Sakstrup said...
In reference to my last comment (above) when I wrote “similar”. I meant “similar in many or most ways”. Posted 07/31 at 04:28 PM
Will said...
First of all, I wasnt trying to criticize in any way, so if it came off as that, my apologies. Secondly, I did read the entire article and I do understand what Oliver does, but IMO that doesnt excuse the fact that these rankigs seem flawed in various ways…thats all i was saying. appreciate the response though normally i would never do this, but i gotta ask…this is a monster deal in a 10-team keeper Give: Mike Trout, Strasberg, Victorino, Chapman Get: Kemp, Verlander, Tex, Papelbon Someone please convince me to say no Posted 08/01 at 08:46 AM
Jesse Sakstrup said...
The “that just ruins your cred” comment was what I was referring to as criticism. But, yes, I agree with you on a few points, I didn’t agree with Oliver as much as I thought I would, and a few guys seemed off to me, too. As far as that trade goes, I think you would be getting the better end of the deal in the short term, but if you can keep players perpetually, without penalty, then the deal probably swings the other way. Trout might be the best fantasy player for the next 10 years and with the state of Matt Kemp’s legs, we don’t know what his SB numbers will be like over the next couple of years. So Id take Trout over Kemp. Victorino and Tex are pretty much a wash, as are the two closers, although I’d rather have Chapman in case he starts and dominates. The only part of the deal that is a clear win for you is getting the “security” of Verlander over the riskier Strasburg. That difference isn’t enough to sell Trout, though, not of you can continually keep him. So, yeah, the deal looks pretty fair, but you don’t seem like you want to give up Trout, and if you do, you will probably be kicking yourself five years from now when Trout is in the midst of his sixth straight top-tier season. It is by no means a no brainier either way, so go with the side that you will regret less if it ends up going in the other guy’s favor. For me, that’d be keeping Trout. Posted 08/01 at 02:49 PM
southside mike said...
I don;t know where you got your stats but MLB says as of today Napoli is batting .233 and never deserved to be an All Star Posted 08/02 at 05:39 PM
Jesse Sakstrup said...
Those are rest of season projections. Posted 08/02 at 05:43 PM
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As far as Miguel Montero goes…..bench him against lefties. If you have a roster spot you use for streaming, pick up a catcher you like for that day and between Montero and your streamer you’ve #1 overall catcher production. I used my waiver priority to nab Montero, dealt Buster Posey for Dickey and since then Montero’s batted .327 for me and tallied 14 runs, 4 homers, 22 RBI and 20 BB’s in 107 AB’s.