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A note from a reader on BABIPby Bryan TsaoJuly 22, 2009 Reader Abbot Katz checks in with this note on batting average on balls in play. It has been some time now since the BABIP established its place in the sabermetric canon, and understandably so. BABIP means to aim a quantified scrutiny at a rather interesting problem: the extent to which a batter’s skill at directing 90 mile-per-hour pitches away from the best preventative efforts of sagely-positioned, gloved men can be assayed. Bryan Tsao is the editor of The Hardball Times website. He welcomes comments, questions, and suggestions for both himself and the site via email.
Eric/OR said...
A needlessly painful read that could easily be boiled down to a few sentences. Also, I’m not sure where the concern is being directed - is there some movement I’m unaware of attempting to badmouth the Babe Ruths of the world on the basis of BABIP? Posted 07/23 at 03:34 AM
Dennis said...
It’s almost as if it could be an xBABIP, much like xFIP—adjust a player’s BABIP by replacing HR with (FB * league average rate of fly balls becoming home runs). This seems like it achieves the desired effect of only removing the fly balls that aren’t fielded from BABIP calculations. Posted 07/23 at 03:58 AM
DSMok1 said...
When I calculate a predicted BABIP, I always adjust the GB/LD/FB/POP percentages after subtracting the predicted number of HRs from the FB total… The problem with the writer’s conclusion is this: thinking that relative BABIP numbers between players means anything! He is asserting that Carew’s BABIP being above Aaron’s is an inaccurate measure somehow. That is wrong. BABIP is a pure measure, all it says is what a player did. You cannot compare one player with another… BABIP DOES NOT regress to the mean, it regresses towards the player’s true talent level. Suppose two players hit 25%LD, 40%GB, and 35û. One player hits 4% of LD and 25% of FB for HR, the other just 10% of FB. That would yield a BIP split of 26.5%LD, 44.3%GB, and 29û for the first batter, and 25.9%LD, 41.4%GB, and 32.6û for the second. I would expect the BABIP of the first to be higher than the BABIP of the second, unless the second is faster or the first is a dominant pull hitter. So what? So yes, “Carew’s ball-in-play facility truly overwhelms Aaron’s by 66 points”. There is no problem with that; that is where part of Carew’s value lay. The problem is thinking that BABIP is something it is not. If you are trying to predict BABIP, you must consider the impact of HR… but there is so much more to consider than that. If you are trying to compare players by looking at their BABIP… why? Posted 07/23 at 09:09 AM
Total said...
I echo Eric/OR; has there been some movement to make BABIP the be-all and end-all of measures? And what, exactly, is “hermetic disquiet”? Posted 07/23 at 09:09 AM
Colin Wyers said...
Why are we looking at BABIP for hitters like this in the first place? Posted 07/23 at 10:40 AM
Sky Kalkman said...
I guess the point is that if you want to adjust for a player aging and losing power (although don’t hitters tend to peak late for power?) that lost power will help improve or at least maintain BABIP. A loss of HR/FB skill is not independent of BABIP “skill”. Posted 07/23 at 10:53 AM
Detroit Michael said...
Without running the data, I would guess that the average batter with 40 HR per 600 AB strikes out considerably more than the average batter with 15 HR per 600 AB does. Thus a hypothetical situation where he holds the number of AB, H, SO, and SF constant and changes only the HR creates an atypical comparison. A player with more home runs has harder hit batted balls on average. A player with harder hit batter balls will have a higher BABIP, but this effect might be offset by a GB/LD/FB distribution that leads to lower expected BABIP. To conclude any more, I think one would have to look at data, not reason from hypotheticals. Posted 07/23 at 11:11 AM
Abbott Katz said...
To my public, as it were Stepping out of my hermetic isolation, I’ll offer just a few replies to some of the remarks issued to my little piece: -I never claimed the BABIP stands as the epitome of offensive metrics. It is, nevertheless, a widely invoked measure. -In response to Detroit Michael’s observation that a player with harder hit balls will have a higher BABIP: true, more data need to be inspected, but consider Barry Bonds’ 2001, his annus mirabilis in which he hit, through whatever means, 73 HRs. Bonds’ BABIP that year came to .269—a year in which he actually hit .328. .269 is what happens when you average a HR every 6.5 ABs, and readers who write those numbers off as an outlier miss the point—and it doesn’t matter what Bonds was having for breakfast those days, either. It isn’t the steroids - the problem is the stat. Thus to assert, as DSMok1 does, that BABIPs regress toward a player’s talent level, is in my humble view, arguable. The bottom line: more HRs, lower BABIP - and it is, in my judgment, proper to advance the all-things-being-equal proposition here. Posted 07/23 at 11:38 AM
Eric/OR said...
Sir: I think your observation is a valid one, but I think it and $1.50 will buy you a cup of coffee - I just don’t hear anyone that seriously follows sabermetrics making the contention that BABIP is an important skill indicator on a par with, say, wOBA or EqAv. Are there metric-mongers out there disparaging Babe Ruth in favor of Rod Carew? Posted 07/23 at 01:47 PM
Eric/OR said...
In any event, regardless of its utility, the insight is valid. Posted 07/24 at 03:51 PM
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This seems like a valid point. In addition to subtracting home runs, could we not just add back some percentage of home runs that we would expect to become doubles or any other sort of base hit?