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Trading players you don’t own

by Paul Singman
June 23, 2009



Paul has been managing fantasy baseball teams for many seasons and writing for THT Fantasy over the past year (and counting). In his first year competing in expert's leagues, he is both surprised and happy to say he finished in the top 30% of his three leagues. He welcomes readers' thoughts at his email here or in the comments below.



archilochusColubris said...

Once i tried to put together a 3-team trade in a similar fashion… i’ll just say that you might not find it incredibly simple unless your league is very (inter)active.

Posted 06/23  at  03:50 AM
steveknj said...

There’s another caveat.  The person in the second deal, knowing you don’t have the player yet, can go to the first team you are dealing with and make a seperate deal for this player, thus scuttling your original deal.

Posted 06/23  at  07:42 AM
Randy said...

Yeah…..this is a tatic in theory only.  Too many ways for it to go sideways to make it worth the effort.

Posted 06/23  at  08:51 AM
Elliot said...

I’ve tried this theory a few times this year as I’m in a pretty active league.  The results have been: (1) getting screwed when the second guy backs out afetr I’ve made deal 1, (2) getting screwed when the second guy went and made a separate deal with the first guy, cutting me out and (3) lots of wasted time on deals that were never consummated.  Needless to say, I am no longer a proponent of this approach

Posted 06/23  at  09:35 AM
Paul Singman said...

Yea this definitely is a difficult thing to pull off, and as you guys have noted it can easily backfire.

Thank you for your input because unless people who have tried it tell me how it worked for them, I cannot have any idea how successful it is.

Speaking from my own experiences, I have made it work so it is possible….

Posted 06/23  at  10:03 AM
Joel said...

Don’t see how Casey Blake and Zambrano would net anyone Wright. I don’t think Mark Renyolds and Zambrano would do that, and Reynolds is far better than Blake.

Posted 06/23  at  11:31 AM
Alek said...

I did this last year. I won’t name players because I got embarrassed in retrospect.

What we did was this. Guy A and I wanted each others players, but we couldn’t come to a complete understanding. We then toyed about the idea of a guy B to join the trade. We found someone who, if we could GET him to trade a certain player, the deal could be completed. He agreed to trade that player for another, and it was done. Pretty easy.

If that didn’t make sense, basically we decided what other teams player would make it complete, and then approached him about it together.

Posted 06/23  at  01:13 PM
anonymous said...

i try this strategy all the time but there are several large pitfalls to be wary of:

1) let’s say i start offering blake to manager B (assuming I will get him from manager A), I run the risk of manager B simply circumventing me and trading with manager A (i.e. maybe manager A has a better “decent pitcher” than I do)

2) another possibility is that manager B will want to know the deal I have in place with manager A and may think of the entire deal as a 3 way trade.  in that case, he is likely to evaluate the trade from 3 angles and determine that i’m getting “too good of a deal.”

3) more often than not, you don’t just have a trade sitting in your inbox waiting for you to click accept.  there’s usually a ton of back and forth and negotiating before that happens.  the most likely scenario is that you are “in talks” to get blake from manager A and then you start dangling him in front of manager B.  the problem is that those “talks” end up leading nowhere 75% of the time, esp is manager A gets wind of your talks with manager B.

Posted 06/23  at  04:33 PM
Ilya said...

This strategy does work but I find it is much easier to pull of when the team you are trading players you do not own to is being managed by a friend or somebody you know in person.

The issue of circumventing you is real, but the issue of backing out of a deal is rare due to the threat of physical violence.

I find this much more of a viable strategy when your getting a player you don’t want but it’s a great deal regardless, and then you try to flip that player somewhere else, maybe at a bit of a loss, but still overall winning the trades and getting the players you want,

Posted 06/24  at  12:53 AM
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