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Thursday, October 28, 2010

When a team wins the first two World Series games . . .

Posted by Chris Jaffe
Well, the Giants just won Game Two, just as last night they won Game One. What does the future hold? Well, let's see what the past holds.

Prior to tonight, a team has gone up two games to none in the World Series 50 times. (That includes two long ago Series in which there was a tie early on, and it took the Series until Game 3 for one team to go up two games to none). The leading teams went on to win 39 of those 50 Fall Classics. Not too surprising.

Let's break it down a step further. Here's how the results of the 50 Series by final wins and losses (from the point of view of the team up):

- 20 won in sweep
- 9 won in five games
- 4 won in six games
- 6 won in seven games (well, actually five - I'm including the 1919 Series here which was a best-of-nine)
- 8 lost in seven games (including another eight game Series: the 1921 Fall Classic, another best-of-nine)
- 3 lost in six games.

The teams that came back to win it were: 1921 Giants, 1955 Dodgers, 1956 Yankees, 1958 Braves, 1965 Dodgers, 1971 Pirates, 1978 Yankees, 1981 Dodgers, 1985 Royals, 1986 Mets, and 1996 Yankees. The 1955 Dodgers, 1985 Royals, and 1986 Mets won the first championship in franchise history, much as the Rangers are hoping to do. The 1978, 1981, and 1996 Series were the comebacks that ended in six games.

One last way of looking at things here: the Rangers have been outscored 20-7. This is only the fourth time a team down two games to none has been outscored by 13 runs or more. The 1987 Cards were outscored 18-5 by the Twins, the 1937 Giants were outscored 16-2 by the Yankees, and worst of all the 1996 Yankees were outscored 16-1 by the Braves. That last one, of course, was a time when the down team shockingly came back, winning in a mere six games. There are only two other times the down team has been outscored by more than 10 runs after two games - in 2001 and 2007. Both squads went on to lose their Series.

Looking ahead, teams down two games to none have actually won a majority of the next game: 27-23. Of the 23 teams that lost, 20 ended up getting swept in the Series. So lose Game Three and lose all remaining fight. (The three teams that won Game Four all lost in Game Five: 1910 Cubs, 1937 Giants, and 1970 Reds). So Game Three really is a must-win for the Rangers.

To put it another way: of the 50 previous teams to lose the first two World Series decisions, those that lost the next game won .000 of their World Series while those who won the next contest took the Series at a .407 clip. So Texas's odds either go up from one in five to two in five if they win Game Three or down to zero in five if they lose the next one.

For any baseball fans out there, 21 of the 27 times the down team won Game Three, the Series went at least six games. It's NEVER happened when the down team losses another one. So if you want a longer World Series, history says to root for the Rangers to win the next one.




History instructor by day, statnerd by night, Chris Jaffe leads one of the most exciting double lives imaginable; with the exception of every other double life possible to imagine. Despite his lack of comic-book-hero-worthiness, Chris enjoys farting around with this stuff. His new book, Evaluating Baseball's Managers is available for order. Chris welcomes responses to his articles via e-mail. Oh, and now he's on twitter.


Comments

SoSH U said...

Chris,

  Though true of the others, the ‘86 Mets’ victory, of course, was not their first in franchise history.

Posted 10/29  at  12:55 AM
Richard Gadsden said...

What happens if you include the seven-game League Championship Series as well - I feel like there have been more comebacks in LCS than in the World Series

Posted 10/29  at  06:01 AM
Craig Tyle said...

You mean the 1958 Yankees; the Braves lost after going up 2-0.

Posted 10/29  at  09:57 AM
Chris J. said...

Yea - thanks for the corrections SoSH & Craig.  That’s what I get for writing from memory. 

I don’t know what happens if I include the LCS Best-of-7.  This was enough work for me.

Posted 10/29  at  10:53 AM
birtelcom said...

The 0-2 team needs to win 4 out of 5.  The chances of a coin coming up heads 4 times out of 5 is 15.6%.  So the 0-2 teams with 11 Series wins out of 50 (instead of the coin flip expectation of 8 wins) have overperformed 50-50 random chance a bit.  That might partly be explained if one assumes that the 0-2 teams have tended to have more home games remaining than the 2-0 teams (I haven’t checked to see if that’s true, but it seems likely).

Posted 10/29  at  12:48 PM
Derek Ambrosino said...

...And also by the fact that the coin flip is a profoundly flawed analogy. Obviously, these teams don’t have 50/50 chance of each winning, overall skill, starting pitching, handedness platoons and all these things go into things.

Plus, it’s possible that the team down 0-2 is acutally the better team, and thus the “prevailing over the odds” aspect was more that team losing a few to start then ripping off a few to close.

Posted 10/29  at  02:17 PM
Chris J. said...

Home Field Advantage:

Teams that win the first two games have done it 34 times at home, 14 times on the road, and twice (1921 and 1908) the Series was split between places.

The Giants just became the 35th home team to win both opening home games of the Series.

Of the 34 teams that won their first pair at home, 27 become world champs and seven ended up blowing it. That’s a .794 success rate.

Of the 14 that won the first pair on the road, 11 won the Series, and three blew it, a .786 success rate.  So it turns out there’s minimal difference there - and the overall edge goes to the teams who won at home (and were headed on the road) instead of the home-bound teams that won on the road.  I would not have expected that.

As for games, teams that went up 2-0 at home are 62-57 (.521) from then on.

Teams 2-0 on the road are (22-17) .564 from then on.

The split series teams were 3-6 from then on.

Posted 10/29  at  02:30 PM
Robert S said...

The probability of a team coming back from 0-2 is actually 18.75%, since there are not always seven games. This is closer to the 22% experienced, assuming a 50% chance of winning each individual game.

Posted 10/29  at  03:36 PM
Dix Pettey said...

It should maybe be mentioned that the 1921 World Series was a first-team-to-win-5 show.  In theory, that format should have made it easier to lose the first two games and then come back to win the Series.  But the Giants took the Series 5-3, winning the last 2 games.  In other words, after winning the seventh game to take a 4-3 lead they still had to win one more.  So it could be argued that their accomplishment was at least on par with those of the other teams that went on to win after dropping the first two games.

Posted 10/29  at  05:47 PM
Joe said...

Need one more very critical breakdown of the previous 2-0 situations.  Which ones were 2-0 at home and which were 2-0 away?

Posted 10/30  at  03:34 AM
Chris J. said...

Joe,

Of the teams who won the first two decisions in the WOrld Series:

34 did it at home (35 now with the Giants). 

14 did it on the road.

2 did it split between home/road (1908 & 1921).

Posted 10/30  at  12:37 PM
Tom said...

While this is all very nice and anecdotal, there is real math behind this stuff. Without boring you with the details, there is a 12.5% chance of a sweep, 25% chance of winning in 5 games, and 31.25% chance of winning in 6 games, and 31.25% chance of winning in 7 games. By the way, how’d you miss the ‘69 Mets?

Posted 10/31  at  09:23 AM
wheelchair lift said...

I never thought that the Giants had a chance against Texas, but deep inside it seemed to me that the Giants had destiny on their side and with a great pitching staff you always have a chance to win in a 4 out of 7 series

Posted 11/03  at  05:58 PM
Chris J. said...

As for Renteria, if he does in fact decide to retire, this has got to be the most storybook ending of all-time.

Posted 11/03  at  06:36 PM
Chris J. said...

I’m sorry - I posted that in the wrong spot.  OOPS!

Posted 11/03  at  06:37 PM
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