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Friday, December 19, 2008

“Call”

Red Sox owner John Henry emailed the media late last night and said, in regards to Mark Teixeira, "after hearing about his other offers, however, it seems clear that we are not going to be a factor." I think the Boston Globe pretty much nails it with this comment:

Henry's reference to the "other offers" leaves open the possibility he is calling the bluff of Boras, who has been known to inflate the value of offers and the number of suitors pursuing his client. Boras represented former Red Sox center fielder Johnny Damon, who signed with the New York Yankees in 2005 after the Boston brass apparently refused to believe that the offer from their archrivals was real.

My guess is that Boras spun puffed-up stories about the Yankees' and Angels' interest that Henry didn't buy, and that Henry simply doesn't believe Teixeira's is truly interested in signing with the Orioles or Nats. If that's the calculus, good for Henry for recognizing it.

Posted by Craig Calcaterra at 8:58am


Comments

Total said...

Uh, but in the quote you give, the offer that Boras was spinning was *real*, wasn’t it?  That doesn’t really back up your larger point.

Posted 12/19  at  10:22 AM
Craig Calcaterra said...

It was in the Damon case, but I question whether that was a situation in which the Boston Brass truly didn’t believe the other offer or if, alternatively, they were simply content to let Damon go.

But yeah, Boras could have a real offer out there.  If Teixeira signs with the Yankees, we can probably assume he wasn’t bluffing.  If he signs with the Red Sox or Nats, we can probably assume that he is.

Posted 12/19  at  10:26 AM
pete said...

Good for Henry, sure, but if Boras is out there spewing BS to squeeze out the last penny for his clients, good for him, too.

Posted 12/19  at  10:26 AM
MooseinOhio said...

If the Sox really drew a line in the sand (i.e. with terms of contract) then I am in full support.  If they are calling Boras’ bluff, and I believe that he has inflated what others are offering, and they lose him as a result but don’t overpay (man it is hard to say 8x$20 was already a ridiculous amount to pay), then I am in full support. 

In fact if they do not sign him I will buy one of the new blue jerseys as a sign of support.  Needless to say - I am getting a little tired of Boras’ tactics and struggle with the size of these contracts as I watch the economy in Ohio and the US drop faster than Clemens’ HoF enshrinement.

Then again - Furcal has shown us that until the ink is dry - nothing is a done deal.

Posted 12/19  at  10:32 AM
pete said...

Teix should just be grateful for whatever the Red Sox are willing to offer him, I guess. How dare he ask for more of John Henry’s money!

I get so tired of this “Boras is evil, Boras is ruining the game” stuff, and I really can’t understand how fans put players on a pedestal, then turn around and argue that they shouldn’t be asking for as much money as they can possibly get from ridiculously wealthy owners. I like Teix, and Manny, and CC—why wouldn’t I want them to get as much money as they can?

If the Red Sox decide they don’t want to pay that much, that’s their prerogative, and I’m fine with it. If Teix decides he wants to play for the Nationals for a few million more, that’s his prerogative. Teix accepting less money from John Henry is not going to save any jobs in Ohio.  Believe it or not, if everyone acts in his own interests, things will turn out pretty well.

Posted 12/19  at  11:00 AM
hermitfool said...

You don’t suppose this is John Henry’s way of reminding Boros of the role Boros played in Manny’s sit-down strike last year?

Posted 12/19  at  11:23 AM
Jason @ IIATMS said...

I love the bluff, if that’s indeed what it is.  I also love the line in the sand, if that’s what it is.

Time that someone held their ground with big, bad Boras.

And FWIW, the NY papers are saying the Yanks were not the highest bidder.  Guessing that Cashman, like his counterparts in Boston, had a line they would step up to and not much further.

Enjoy the Nats, Teix.  Just as ARod enjoyed the Rangers in 2001 or whatever.  The highest offer doesn not always equal happiness when that team are perennial bottom feeders.

Posted 12/19  at  11:29 AM
pete said...

You’re acting like he already took the Nats’ offer…or by listening to their offer, he’s decided that he’d be willing to play there for $1 more.

I don’t see anything wrong with Teix seeing all the best offers on the table, then making a fully informed decision about where he wants to play.

Posted 12/19  at  11:59 AM
Ron said...

Yeah, millionares getting richer, and I’m supposed to cry a tear becasue someone only offered to pay them $123,000,000 to play a game, and they feel offfended.

Using the argument that they should be able to get all they can get is complete crap. Back in the days of $100,000 contracts, I might have bought it.

But not today. Selling yourself to the highest bidder in prostitution, no matter how you look at it. They could at least exhibit a little bit of integrity and proffessionalism.

Posted 12/19  at  12:02 PM
Ron said...

And, yeah, I’m calling Boras a glorified pimp.

Posted 12/19  at  12:02 PM
Jason @ IIATMS said...

Ron, would you rather the Owners pocketing 80% of the $6.6B in revenues?  when there were $100k contracts, the pie was less than a billion, in all likelihood.

I’m more pro-Labor, pro-Capitalism in my leanings.

Posted 12/19  at  12:06 PM
Craig Calcaterra said...

Ron—why should owners be allowed to drive the hardest bargain they can but not the players?

(note: my issue with Boras is not that he drives a hard bargain. It’s that, based on what many have said, he often crosses the line between puffery (“there are A LOT of teams out there who want to sign my client, so you had better act fast”) and just lying (“I just received a $200M offer from the Yankees, which we will accept unless you match or beat it”).

Posted 12/19  at  12:07 PM
Ron said...

I don’t have a problem with them getting as much money as they can. That’s a free market ecomony and its a good thing. I have a problem with guys who are making hundreds of millions of dollars complaining about respect and expecting us to sympathize with them, especially considering the tactic they use.

And I particularly have a problem with the dirty tactics used by the agents to get the money.

Any owner who doesn’t use proper tactics should be punished also. Remember in ‘87, when the Players Union sued for millions of dollars for collusion, and won.

I’d be a lot more willing to listen if Boras or Tellem were fined for thier actions, but that will never happen.

Bottom line is, whether its from the owners, players, or agents, we’re all getting scrwed when it comes to tickets, concessions and merchandises.

I’m just trying to figure out what it is that any of them have to complain about. Rich people getting richer, and we’re paying the bills. Why don’t they listen to us for a change.

Posted 12/19  at  12:25 PM
Jason @ IIATMS said...

Ron: They will listen when we stop going to the games.  Until then, we’re just sheep with wallets.

Posted 12/19  at  12:31 PM
Ron said...

Hey, I’m doing my part.

No, fair point. I don’t have a problem with the big contracts. I wish I could have one.

I would just like to see guys like Boras and Tellem get hit for their dirty tactics, like the owners got.

Posted 12/19  at  12:37 PM
christopher said...

Pete, I think what bothers the public (and me) about Boras is that it doesn’t seem like he negotiates in good faith.  And that is pretty off-putting when the dollars involved are so mind-boggling to the average person.

Posted 12/19  at  12:38 PM
MooseinOhio said...

All this revenue that baseball owners and players fight over come from where again?  Oh yeah - people like you and I that love baseball and can afford to attend games, buy packages to watch our favorite teams and clothes our children in the regalia of our favorite teams in hopes they too follow the teams of our youth.  So when the our pocketbooks are hurting baseball pocketbooks will hurt as well - maybe not quite to the same extent but the effect of the poor economy will be felt.

Maybe because I live in one of the poorest sections of Ohio, work with college students that struggle to afford an education at a state school and who families cannot afford to attend events celebrating their childrens successes I am a little bothered by the tactics Boras uses to get a few more million dollars. 

I do not begrudge anyone the ability to make money and have financial success - my wife and I are well educated and have well paying jobs ourselves.  However I do struggle when billionaires and millionaires haggle over money that could alter the lives of many people.  Maybe if they fully funded their enterprises I would be less perturbed than I am today but when Bloomberg asks for more taxpayers monies the same week the Yankees signed two ballplayers for roughly the same amount of requested fund - I feel a little sick to my stomach.

Posted 12/19  at  12:39 PM
Daniel said...

Boras pissed me off because his tactics are unethical or very very close to being so.  That’s the problem I have with him.  Yes, he is obligated to attempt to get the best contract for his clients, but there is a line to be drawn and Boras crosses it often.  Any time anyone stands up to those tactics is a victory for ethics, whether or not it’s a gajillionaire owner who is making the stand.

I think the difference in my mind is where the money comes from.  John Henry, for example, made his money in trading commodities futures.  That seems to me like a legitimate way to make a lot of money.  Then you think of people making hundreds of millions of dollars for playing a game and it just doesn’t seem right.  No one here would trade stocks for free but many of us here would (and do) play ball for free. 

My rough and generalized conclusion is that we resent the guys who are actively campaigning for a few more millions to play a game, while we don’t really resent the owners (as long as they’re honest) who have already made their money doing something “legitimate.”  Am I off-base here or does that make sense to anyone else?

Posted 12/19  at  02:16 PM
pete said...

I don’t really have a problem with Boras lying in negotiations, because there’s a perfect check for that: At some point, a team will call him on it and his client will lose big. If the team doesn’t call him on it, obviously they were willing to pay the price.

If Boras lies to the Red Sox and says, “I have a $250M offer” and the Sox offer $260M, doesn’t it follow that they value Teix at $260M? Why should we feel bad for the team or have negative feelings toward Boras for getting the maximum amount the team is willing to pay?

Moose, I’m just as offended by public financing as you, but Teix not getting the last dollar from ownership isn’t going to make it go away.

Ron, I don’t think I’ve heard Teix complain or say that he’s being disrespected.

Posted 12/19  at  02:27 PM
pete said...

I don’t think it’s about how the owners made their money…I think it’s more that:

a) We’re jealous of people who get to play a game for money.
b) We don’t know exactly how much owners are making. When Drayton McLane says that the team just can’t afford to bring in Jake Peavy, we tend to believe him. The bold ones even try to claim that they’re losing money.
c) We don’t like it when players leave our favorite team, so we find a reason to justify our new-found dislike. Jim Thome is a bad guy if you’re an Indians fan, and the same old loveable Jimmy if you’re a Phillies fan.

Posted 12/19  at  02:33 PM
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