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Wednesday, September 30, 2009
Derek Jeter: a liar or a thief?People here have suspected that I take a perverse, masochistic pleasure in baiting Yankee and Red Sox fanboys over at NBC.
Well, you're absolutely, 100% right about that.
Someone give me a heads up when the intervention is going to be held. It's a busy week for me.
Posted by Craig Calcaterra at 8:56am
My favorite types of comments over there are the ones who feel that they are entitled to some sort of grand meaning or relevance in each post that goes up.
Thought process: “I could be working on this report for my boss…nah, I’ll go check out Circling the Bases. Oooh, here’s something about that studmuffin, Derek Jeter. [Reads, growing angrier] Hey! This isn’t flattering worship, this is criticism! And meaningless criticism at that! How dare a random blogger waste my time by making me read this! I demand more substance from free internet blogs!”
The beauty of it is that Craig knew this would happen, so the post itself is almost irrelevant compared to the response. I see your subtle machinations, Shyster. Good work.
Posted 09/30 at 12:57 PM
Whenever someone twangs Jeter in some funny way that gets the True Believers frothing at the mouth, an angel gets his wings.
Posted 09/30 at 01:00 PM
Jack Marshall said...
Wow! I don’t get the venom at all. If Yankee players were given carte blanche to loot old Yankee stadium, that’s news. If Jeter stole something of value without permission, THAT’S news. If he lied to the Times about it, that’s news too….and if he stole it, then had it given back to himself as a phony honor, that’s hilarious. Plus, all of these tell us something about Jeter’s character and integrity that can weaken his candidacy for the Hall of Fame. (Kidding! KIDDING!!!)
It’s a perfectly responsible post.
(Matt: Red Sox fans are far from happy with the team playing so crappy on the way to clinching, but are also used to Tito’s pre-playoff rope-a-dope ways. And they’ve worked out pretty well.)
Posted 09/30 at 01:02 PM
Steve A said...
I’m just waiting for Jim Ross to post the following over there.
“OH MY GOD! Is that Cap’n Jeter’s music I hear?!?!?!”
Posted 09/30 at 01:09 PM
Of such stuff did William Randolph Hearst get his start.
Posted 09/30 at 01:15 PM
I’m going to try to write this without sounding like the fanboy. I am a Yankee fan. I am a Derek Jeter fan. I recently bought his book “The Life You Imagine” for my daughter. It’s full of everything you want your child to emulate.
Could it all be true about the sign, but the Yankees asked him to give it back so that they could give it to him properly? Could he have said “no”? I suppose, but that wouldn’t make sense.
He obviously doesn’t need me defending him, but it does tweak me some that most of the overly good and overly bad press he gets is not born out of the way he talks and acts.
/steps off soap box he didn’t really want to be on in the first place
Posted 09/30 at 02:01 PM
Chris Simonds said...
You lack understanding and need to cut the NBC audience some slack.It takes a lot longer than 30 seconds to read one of Craig’s posts when you have to follow the words along on the screen with your finger and mouth the syllables under your breath.
Posted 09/30 at 02:05 PM
Wow! Those are some real knuckleheads over there. People like that make it tough to admit to being a Yankee fan. What percentage of Yankee fans are complete morons? Or is the small percentage just very vocal?
Posted 09/30 at 02:09 PM
Chris H. said...
OK, admit it Craig, you’re not even trying to just blog over there anymore. You’re just all about baiting the mouth-breathers, now.
The best bit is that either NBC hasn’t figured it out or doesn’t care.
Money for nothing, baby.
Posted 09/30 at 02:12 PM
Ok, I decided to read some of the comments on the NBC site. My favorite by far was the commentor that asked if you could be guilty of “liable”[sic]
But I do believe that it’s possible that he took the sign and gave a wink and some words to the reporter. At some point later, the Yankees told him they were going to have a ceremony giving players some stuff from the old stadium and wanted to present him with the sign. He would have no choice but to agree.
Obviously this is hypothetical, but also at least, I think, a conceivable story that would prove that it wasn’t Jeter himself that was trying for self promotion/aggrandizement.
Posted 09/30 at 02:27 PM
When will the people who get such a big kick out these silly little anti-Yankee pokes and jabs realize they’re no better than the Yankee fanboys who overreact to them?
Posted 09/30 at 02:45 PM
Craig, thanks for that post. My immediate thought was that in the battle of wits, the attackers would be bringing knives to a gunfight. Over the first 50 or so posts, I realized they were bringing, at best, rotten tomatoes to a gunfight. Now I realize that’s an insult to rotten tomatoes.
Attention villages everywhere—if you’re missing an idiot, please check the CTB comment threads.
Posted 09/30 at 03:06 PM
Yankee Fan said...
Some Jackasses will smear anyones good name to get recognition. Well I cecognize this guy is a fool.
Posted 09/30 at 03:33 PM
Hey, that last post was definitely not me, and I doubt if the imposter knows the secret handshake.
Posted 09/30 at 04:03 PM
Congratulations, Craig. You just passed 200 comments on the Jeter post at CTB.
Posted 09/30 at 04:15 PM
Craig Calcaterra said...
Today . . . I consider myself . . . the luckiest man on the face of the Earth.
Posted 09/30 at 04:16 PM
mike in brooklyn said...
Craig—I rarely stay over at that other site to read your NBC stuff. But I saw so many articles that refused to glorify the Yanks or Red Sox, that I stayed to read a bunch.
And I read the comments too. I really don’t know how you deal with it, man. I’m guessing you just don’t read them. As far as I can tell, if you aren’t willing to bow at the feet either team, it is because you are jealous. This doesn’t even make sense.
Also, you are a loser, bitter, and—my favorite—a Mets Fan! (?) I think they somehow got you mixed up with me.
Posted 09/30 at 04:27 PM
Craig Calcaterra said...
I actually read every single comment. I get them automatically emailed to me. Sure, if it’s just a screed I skim and delete it pretty quickly, but I see it all.
The negativity really doesn’t bother me. Unlike here, I really don’t write there expecting a meaningful dialogue. I get one from time to time and when I do I’m very happy, but I keep my expectations low and don’t let the bad stuff bother me. I know, based on the numbers, that the people who are reacting negatively are dwarfed by the number of people simply reading. I don’t set out to be a jackass (most of the time anyway), but the day I write something provocative and fail to get a reaction is the day I’ll start feeling bad about things.
Posted 09/30 at 04:33 PM
The thought that kept coming up for me reading those 200 comments was,
Posted 09/30 at 04:34 PM
Wow, my third comment here, I must really care about this, and that’s a little sad.
I want to take you a little to task on cherry-picking the comments that you responded to today. It seems you responded to easy marks and/or compliments when there were many (gasp, even better than mine) very well articulated arguments against your post. I realize you can only respond to a fraction of them, but I would think you would respond to those that spent some time thinking before responding.
One more angle. I do think “thief” is too strong a term, and yes, I know what the definition is. In this situation, I still don’t think it holds.
Question. At the end of the year, if Joe Mauer takes his name plate from his Metrodome locker and puts it in his trophy case at home, will you think of him as a thief? I wouldn’t, and for the same reason I don’t think Jeter is a “thief”.
And since he admitted taking it, that makes him a truthful person.
So my answer(opinion) to your question, “Derek Jeter: a liar or a thief,” is “no”.
Posted 09/30 at 05:20 PM