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Wednesday, June 03, 2009

Garry Templeton Interview

Josh at Jorge Says No! interviewed Garry Templeton recently, and the results are here. Templeton, who is managing the Long Beach Armada in the Golden League, holds forth on the quality of independent league lineups, talks about the most exciting play in baseball (sorry Jaffe, but he disagrees with you on what play that is, and I'm going with Templeton on this one), and provides you with the thing you wanted most in this world: a Hideki Irabu update.

Great work, Josh.

Posted by Craig Calcaterra at 8:41am


Comments

Sara K said...

I must be missing something…I agree that triples are exciting, but how are they more exciting than a similar play that goes an extra 90 feet and scores a run?

Posted 06/03  at  08:55 AM
Craig Calcaterra said...

Because so often an inside the park home run requires some dunderheaded defensive play that, in a fair world, would be called an error but isn’t.  Guys falling down, bad hops, etc.  I haven’t seen a ton of inside the park home runs, but many of them I have seen ended up with no real play or no real close play at the plate. Triples are subject to this too, but more often they are simply clean gappers hit by a guy with serious wheels, leading to a close play at third.

Excitement is in the eye (or gut) of the beholder, and this beholder has simply gets more excited by triples.

Posted 06/03  at  08:58 AM
chuck said...

what’s funny about all of these blogs is that it is making guys like gary templeton relevent again. how low are these bloggers gonna go just to get a quote or an interview from someone who played professional sports?

i hear larvell blanks is available for an interview…..

Posted 06/03  at  09:51 AM
Matt M said...

As cool as triples and inside-the-park HRs are, in my mind, the outright steal of home is the most exciting play in baseball. There’s ALWAYS a play at the plate, it takes a great amount of luck, and it’s exceedingly rare. I don’t want players on my team trying it, ever; but seeing it happen is the most exciting thing I’ve ever seen on a baseball field.

Posted 06/03  at  09:52 AM
Jason @ IIATMS said...

Chuck gets the gas face.


And there’s two R’s in Garry

Posted 06/03  at  09:58 AM
Jason @ IIATMS said...

Oh, I tend to think the pulling-back of a sure HR is about as exciting as they come.  To watch Torii Hunter scale a wall and pull one back is much more exciting (and difficult) a play than a guy motoring around the bases.

I can watch track for pure speed.  But give me a guy with speed AND a glove AND the skill to time a jump/climb up a wall and I’m giddy.

Posted 06/03  at  10:00 AM
Craig Calcaterra said...

Chuck: has it ever occurred to you that the primary motivation of someone wanting to interview Garry Templeton is that he’s, you know, interested in Garty Templeton as a player and person as opposed to simply wanting to say that they got an interview of someone?

Posted 06/03  at  10:01 AM
Sara K said...

Thanks for the explanation, CC. 

FWIW, I lean Jason’s way on this. I love the brilliant “oh no he din’t” defensive plays.  They’re awesome the first time, and they have replay value (all hail Web Gems!).

Posted 06/03  at  10:12 AM
Wooden U Lykteneau said...

...provided the player didn’t jump/dive just to showboat (see Ordonez, Rey) or to compensate for lack of range (see Jeter, Derek). FWIW, I’ve seen a shortstop go so far to his right that he was about 10’ behind where the 3B set up (i.e. 5’ from the four line), *plant* and throw out the runner. And it was an independent-league player, too (Yuri Sanchez).

Posted 06/03  at  10:25 AM
Vin said...

As a Mets fan, I have to disagree with Templeton about Lima Time. It’s fun to say, but I would not wish it on anyone.

Posted 06/03  at  10:46 AM
Mark said...

Granted an ItPHR usually occurs because of some miscue in the outfield. But given how relatively small the dimensions are in most new ballparks, you could easily say the same about triples too. Sorry, I gotta agree with Sara: a triple isn’t *more* exciting than a play where the batter actually circles the bases and scores.

Posted 06/03  at  12:23 PM
Wooden U. Lykteneau said...

If that were true, then there would be *more* triples hit per ballpark in 2008 than in 1998 or 1988 or 1978. Except…

2008: 28.58
1998: 29.97
1988: 32.31
1978: 39.23

...it’s quite the opposite, isn’t it?

Posted 06/03  at  01:12 PM
Sara K said...

I’m confused.  Smaller ballparks would mean fewer triples (and, I’m guessing, fewer ItPHRs), right?

Posted 06/03  at  03:39 PM
Wooden U. Lykteneau said...

Exactly. The relatively smaller ballparks are *not* seeing more triples as a result of OF miscues. The evidence does not support the delusion.

Posted 06/03  at  04:04 PM
Sara K said...

I see where you mean to be going, but the argument doesn’t make sense.  You seem to be suggesting that if outfielders do make mistakes, then there should be more total triples despite the smaller park size. I’m pretty sure that Mark’s point is that a significant number of triples result from defensive miscues, and the numbers you offer do nothing to confirm or disprove that claim.

Now, if triples/ItPHRs were sorted by ‘cleanliness’ and we could compare *those* numbers, we’d be onto something…

Posted 06/03  at  04:47 PM
Wooden U. Lykteneau said...

“But given how relatively small the dimensions are in most new ballparks, you could easily say the same about triples too.”

The logical inference from the above is that the (so-called) smaller ballparks have led to more triples, which is not true. I’m not the one making any argument here, I’m merely refuting this mistaken notion.

Posted 06/03  at  05:10 PM
Hizouse said...

Sara K.: I feel your pain

Posted 06/03  at  05:37 PM
Sara K said...

No, the inference is that there would be even fewer triples than there are, were defensive mistakes not a factor. Nowhere in the quoted text is the inference that there should be more total triples in smaller ballparks. For that to happen, defensive mistakes would have to increase in frequency at a rate proportionately greater than the decrease in park size.  Quoting totals doesn’t tell us anything about the number of triples that were the result of defensive errors.  Though now that you mention it, it is interesting that the rate of decrease between 98 and 08 is quite a bit smaller than those of previous decades.

Posted 06/03  at  05:40 PM
Sara K said...

Thanks, Hizouse. I thought I was all alone for a while there…

Posted 06/03  at  05:44 PM
Wooden U. Lykteneau said...

No sense in arguing with someone that doesn’t understand that a runner that reaches third as a result of an error did not hit a triple. Or who doesn’t fully understand what an inference is.

Posted 06/03  at  06:00 PM
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