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Wednesday, June 03, 2009
Garry Templeton InterviewJosh at Jorge Says No! interviewed Garry Templeton recently, and the results are here. Templeton, who is managing the Long Beach Armada in the Golden League, holds forth on the quality of independent league lineups, talks about the most exciting play in baseball (sorry Jaffe, but he disagrees with you on what play that is, and I'm going with Templeton on this one), and provides you with the thing you wanted most in this world: a Hideki Irabu update.
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Posted by Craig Calcaterra at 8:41am
Marty C said...
Depends on the park, really. A triple in San Francisco is about as boring as it gets. Hit it between the CF and the RF and it’s a triple, whether you’re Jose Reyes or Bengie Molina. An ItPHR there, though, is interesting. See Ichiro in the All-Star Game.
Posted 06/03 at 06:20 PM
Sara K said...
Oh, come now Wooden. I know that you know there are plenty of plays in which the defense makes a mistake - a bad path to the ball, an ill-timed or unnecesary dive, etc. - that isn’t called an error. I’m sure these non-error miscues are what both Craig and Mark were referring to in the discussion of triples vs. ItPHRs. And just because I disagree with your interpretation does not mean that I don’t know what an inference is.
Mark’s statement: “Granted an ItPHR usually occurs because of some miscue in the outfield. But given how relatively small the dimensions are in most new ballparks, you could easily say the same about triples too.”
He is replying to Craig’s earlier statement: “Because so often an inside the park home run requires some dunderheaded defensive play that, in a fair world, would be called an error but isn’t. Guys falling down, bad hops, etc.”
In the context of the conversation, the only way you can infer that Mark means that the total number of triples should be bigger because the ballparks are smaller is through a wild stretch of the imagination.
Posted 06/03 at 07:55 PM
Wooden U. Lykteneau said...
So smaller parks are, in fact, more likely to cause outfielders to make mistakes and thus this will increase the likelihood of a “triple” being hit?
Posted 06/03 at 08:25 PM
Sara K said...
No, I don’t think that’s what he’s saying. I also don’t think that he’s saying that the number of triples will increase with smaller parks. I think what he is saying that given smaller parks in general, it seems unlikely that triples are occurring strictly due to the amazing speed of the runner. Outfielder misplays are a factor. The overall number of triples is a factor that *you* brought to the exchange. It is a tangent that really doesn’t have any bearing on the spirit of the discussion. Frankly, I am a little embarrassed that I bothered to engage with you about this, but your interpretation was just so amazingly skewed, I couldn’t resist.
Anyway, your reasoning and rhetoric is out there, as is mine. Let the populus judge us on our merits, if anyone else is still interested in this folly.
Posted 06/03 at 11:00 PM
Wooden U. Lykteneau said...
And, to repeat, which apparently is necessary for someone of your ilk, I am not making an argument, I am refuting the idea that ballpark size has any effect on the likelihood of a triple being hit as a result of an outfielder misplay.
If anything, a smaller ballpark will make it easier (read: less difficult, not as hard) for an outfielder to make a play. It is a well-known conceit, a.k.a. “given,” that today’s OFs are, on average (read: when compared to the rest of the league), bigger and faster than in years past, the idea that they’re more likely to make a mistake in a smaller space (as opposed to less) is preposterous (read: unlikely).
If that were true, then the number of triples would increase. If you had ever played the game, you’d know that ANY ball that gets past an OF, or is misplayed, will result in an at least one more base beyond what the hit would have been had it been fielded or caught.
Perhaps you need a few days to think about it. Shall I check back with you on Tuesday?
Posted 06/04 at 07:45 AM