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Thursday, November 19, 2009
Lincecum takes the Cy YoungI don't have a link yet, but people are talking about it already. He's a fine choice. Great year. I probably undervalued the fact that he had more innings than Carpenter, so no arguments here.
Given that he has a court date on a controlled substance thing coming up soon, be prepared for the most boring celebration party of all time.
Posted by Craig Calcaterra at 1:54pm
Eric Cioe said...
A voter could justify leaving Carpenter off the list pretty easily to me: he didn’t pitch 200 innings. 30 more innings of very slightly-worse ball is a pretty big deal. Someone has to pitch those innings. Would you rather have Tim Lincecum doing it or the Cardinals’ middle relievers?
Posted 11/19 at 05:54 PM
Oh, Ron, this makes me sad.
Of COURSE best stats = best pitcher. That’s different from saying best arbitrarily selected single stat = best player, like in your example (Sandoval has the best OPS and is therefore the best 3B). Taken altogether, the stats show—at least to me—that Lincecum was a better pitcher than Carpenter. And you can make a strong case that Vazquez and Haren were better than Carpenter, too.
Posted 11/19 at 06:17 PM
regarding Lincecum’s alleged infraction: meh. so he recreationally enjoys a drug that has been scientifically proven to be generally less harmful than alcohol - a drug that is available at every convenience store.
screw the nylon industry, circa 1939, and screw Nancy Reagan too.
Posted 11/19 at 07:03 PM
Not that Ron is all wrong, but his objectivity seems to be lacking.
I’m a BIG Tim Lincecum fan, but I would have been OK with Chris Carpenter’s winning the award. Not happy, but not feeling that anything unfair had happened.
But while Wainwright had a marvelous season, aside from wins, he just didn’t stack up close to Lincecum and Carpenter, who seemed to be clearly the leaders.
Aside from wins, there just weren’t many important areas in which Carpenter—and Lincecum in particular—weren’t either the leader or right near the top.
To give the award to Wainwright simply because he won more games would be to deny that wins is a team stat over which the starting pitcher has some control, but usually less than half.
And I say that knowing that if the Cardinals’ bullpen had held all Adam’s wins, he would have won 25 (!) games.
If one looks at the overall picture, though, it seems to me it would be hard not to vote for either Lincecum or Carpenter. Wainwright was a very solid third—but a fairly distant one IMO.
Most of those who voted for Adam—who got one more first-place vote than Tim and three more than his teammate—seem to me to be primarily the old-fashioned (and I might even add uninformed or less analytical) voters who overvaule a team statistic when measuring an individual pitcher.
Posted 11/19 at 11:03 PM