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Thursday, July 30, 2009
Manny, Ortiz on the 2003 steroid positive listSo sayeth the Times:
Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz, the sluggers who propelled the Boston Red Sox to end an 86-year World Series championship drought and to capture another title three years later, were among the roughly 100 Major League Baseball players to test positive for performance-enhancing drugs in 2003, according to lawyers with knowledge of the results.
I know it won't do any good because people will go crazy regardless, but at least allow me to try and get out in front of this:
Now, with that out of the way, you may resume your regularly-scheduled outrage.
Oh, and while we're at it, let us remember:
The information about Ramirez and Ortiz emerged through interviews with multiple lawyers and others connected to the pending litigation. The lawyers spoke anonymously because the testing information is under seal by a court order.
Whoever is revealing this information is committing a far greater offense (contempt of court) than that which Manny and Ortiz committed.
Posted by Craig Calcaterra at 12:40pm
Steve Watson said...
Between this, the whole huff over Dice-K, and the Sox failure - to this point - to acquire Hallday, this is a good time to stay away from sports radio in Boston. Or a good time to tune in, if angry, ridiculous rants are your thing.
WEEI, I’ll be checking in some other week.
Posted 07/30 at 12:49 PM
As a Red Sox fan, I would just like to say that I don’t care whether or not they did steroids. At this point, it’s all hearsay.
Posted 07/30 at 12:50 PM
i guess manny’s “my bad” and “i made a one time mistake: earlier this year ended up being as sincere as it sounded.
Posted 07/30 at 01:00 PM
The Common Man said...
Sigh…here we go again
Posted 07/30 at 01:00 PM
Fun fact: the NY Times owned part of the Red Sox in 2003.
Is it possible that the lawyers cited as sources on this one were their own?
Posted 07/30 at 01:02 PM
The part that says “according to lawyers with knowledge of the results” actually kind of shocked me. That has to be a fairly small pool, and I don’t know why they’d be risking their careers (and possible jail time) for the cause of juicy baseball gossip.
Posted 07/30 at 01:06 PM
As a Yankee fan, I would just like to say that I don’t care whether or not they did steroids. Hearsay or no, this does not taint anything, doesn’t cast a shadow on anything, it’s not important, it makes no difference. In my opinion, of course. Now what the lawyers did, well that’s really quite bad.
Posted 07/30 at 01:11 PM
Steve: Don’t worry, you won’t hear about this on WEEI. The only thing I’ve heard Dennis and Callahan mention in the last two weeks is that Harvard professor story. Every single morning, for at least an hour. No joke.
Personally, I don’t really care about the whole steroids “scandal”. I still think Bonds should be a unanimous Hall of Famer, and I smack any of my friends that present the “asterisk” qualifier. The stuff Bill James said recently about the whole debaucle carried a lot of weight with me.
Posted 07/30 at 01:12 PM
Of course the Sox titles aren’t tainted…BUT the Sox fans who’ve long maintained that other teams’ titles ARE tainted can all now shut the hell up.
Posted 07/30 at 01:12 PM
mike in brooklyn said...
Jamie: That’s exactly what I was thinking. These guys sure seem to be taking a huge risk. And it’s not like this is the first time a name’s been leaked. I would imagine each leak ups that risk. In the end, I wouldn’t be surprised if the largest punishments around the whole steroids issue turns out to be people who didn’t take, sell, or develop them.
Posted 07/30 at 01:16 PM
“103 bottles of HGH on the wall, 103 bottles of HGH, if one of those bottles should happen to fall…102 bottles of HGH on the wall…”
My kids didn’t stop when I screamed at them to shut up, either.
Posted 07/30 at 01:19 PM
Must have been the slow-release steroids from Bob’s Discount Drugs cause it didn’t kick in til game 4 of the 2004 ALCS.
Posted 07/30 at 01:23 PM
Nick Whitman said...
They seriously just need to release the entire list. That way we can get over the firestorm of sanctimony all at once instead of having to be subjected to it once every couple of months. This situation of names being leaked periodically is getting ridiculous. I am sick as hell of steroids dominating the news cycle every time I turn around.
It’s the goddamn trade deadline, people. That’s an awesome time of year. Some of us still care about the actual game of baseball and would like to hear discussion and commentary about the very exciting season that’s playing out right now, before our eyes. As it stands now, I know I won’t be able to turn on ESPN or listen to the radio for like three weeks without being filled with rage.
Posted 07/30 at 01:23 PM
I can’t believe someone leaked this… oops. Actually, I can’t believe it took this long.
With that being said, I agree with Craig’s analysis, particularly with regard to the lawyers involved. As a fellow lawyer, I’m always dismayed when people decide to put their ethical obligations aside, but not shocked. But I am surprised when someone commits an act that could lead to more than just professional censure.
I know NY has a shield law for journalists (for the record, I’m not a fan of press shield laws—if you want to stand on the First Amendment and protect a source, that’s wonderful, but the price may well include cooling your heels in a jail cell). But I wonder about the scope of said law, and whether it would apply in this case.
Posted 07/30 at 01:28 PM
The way these names have been leaked, it’s pretty clear that whoever is leaking is doing so with malice.
I’d love to see them caught and facing federal charges.
Posted 07/30 at 01:33 PM
Not surprised, not at all. First of all, I’m glad the names are coming out. I’m not glad with the manner in which they have been released. Those who are leaking these names are committing federal crimes. I’m quite surprised that no one has been caught as of yet. I’m pretty sure someone is going to get caught eventually.
This also shows how these players lie, lie, and lie again. It shows how much of an unlikable liar Manny Ramirez is. I can’t wait to see the spin.
Posted 07/30 at 01:36 PM
Bill @ the daily something said...
“I’m glad the names are coming out. I’m not glad with the manner in which they have been released. Those who are leaking these names are committing federal crimes. I’m quite surprised that no one has been caught as of yet. I’m pretty sure someone is going to get caught eventually.”
The problem is, there’s no manner in which they CAN (or should) be released. It was an anonymous test. It’s under seal. The results should have been destroyed. Not sure why they ever put names to the results anyway, since that wasn’t the purported purpose of the thing.
I have to think that these people could be caught if the powers that be wanted to catch them. And that the one true outrage about this is that there’s no outrage about the fact that the powers that be don’t seem to want to.
Posted 07/30 at 01:47 PM
I was watching ESPN at the bar at lunch, and one of the people on the show (I think it was Steve Phillips, couldn’t be sure because I was reading the closed captions) said that David Ortiz only had 4 home runs through June of ‘03, and then hit 27 more the rest of the year. His statement was “Ortiz found a chemist in July..” or something to that effect. Is there any reason to believe that the impact of injecting steroids would be instant and miraculous? (Never mind the fact that Ortiz was a part-time player early in ‘03) I mean, does anyone really believe that Luis Castillo could go in the locker room today, shoot some hormones in his ass, and then hit 15 homers in August? Do they ever have anyone who knows what they’re talking about discuss this issue?
Posted 07/30 at 01:48 PM
Andy H said...
“Whoever is revealing this information is committing a far greater offense (contempt of court) than that which Manny and Ortiz committed.”
A FAR greater offense? I don’t know about that. Taking illegal drugs is bad. Leaking confidential information is also bad. I don’t condone what the lawyers did, but leaking these reports doesn’t make what the players did less wrong.
Posted 07/30 at 01:54 PM
Gotta love how the reporter mentions the 31 home runs that Ortiz as a new personal high, but fails to mention that he also reached a personal high in plate appearances as well. In 2001 and 2002 Ortiz hit home runs at nearly the same pace as in 2003. Normalized to 500 PA, the numbers are thus:
Year HR/500 PA
Oh yeah, and 2003 was his age-27 year.
Oh, but what about post-2003 you ask?
Year HR/500 PA
Never let facts get in the way of a good story.
Posted 07/30 at 01:59 PM