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Wednesday, December 17, 2008Manny to NY? Why not?In response to the Yankees' reported interest in Manny Ramirez, Jason at IIATMS says "But three years? On THIS team? With this many 35 year olds who will need to have a day or two in the DH role? Good lord, no!!!!"Good point! Everyone knows that the Yankees are getting old, but it's worth remembering that, if Manny signs, the opening day starters would look something like this (2009 season-age in parenthesis): C Posada (37) 1B Swisher (28) 2B Cano (26) 3B Rodriguez (33) SS Jeter (35) RF Nady (30) CF Cabrera or maybe Cameron (24 or 36) LF/DH: Some combination of Manny, Damon, and Matsui (37, 35, and 35). That's not a baseball team. That's the cast of "The Big Chill," with Cano playing the Meg Tilly character. Between innings they can listen to oldies and talk about what happened to their vanished youth. Posted by Craig Calcaterra at 10:29am Comments
Jason @ IIATMS said...
EDIT: Between innings they can listen to Madonna’s greatest hits and talk about what happened to their vanished youth. With Madonna there in person with her ghastly sunken cheeks, sinewy arms and veiny man-hands…ready to hold Alex tightly after the game. I will now wretch Posted 12/17 at 11:38 AM
The Common Man said...
I wonder how the Yankees are valuing defense. If defense really is the new OBP in terms of being undervalued and underrated, can the Yankees of all teams be this far behind the curve? And, if so, who is responsible for their inefficient philosophy, and should they be on the chopping block? Posted 12/17 at 11:53 AM
Jason @ IIATMS said...
TCM: I can only guess that the Manny-love is coming from Hank. Or I can only hope, that is. A guy with a taste for the biggest names, like his father, with no regard to fit or function. In a league that is clearly moving towards faster, younger, more athletic, the Yanks would be going slower, older, immobile. I’d also like to hope that the more level-headed guys (Hal, Cashman) are not seriously considering a multi-year offer for his Mannyness. I reserve the right to be staggeringly wrong, as usual. Posted 12/17 at 12:13 PM
MooseinOhio said...
First - I suggest the Kevin Costner role is filled by Posada if he is allowed to catch otherwise to Melky if he is still there as his psyche has to dead by now. Secondly - Demographically speaking I think Craig just left ever under 30 reader scratching there heads with the Big Chill reference. I suspect Google just got a bunch of hits referencing a great movie for the 40 plus crowd. Posted 12/17 at 12:23 PM
Jason @ IIATMS said...
Google images of Meg Tilly were disappointing. Posted 12/17 at 12:33 PM
Mark said...
They can yell at the visiting team to get off their lawn, and to turn down that darn rock and roll music when the anthem is played. Posted 12/17 at 12:53 PM
yankeeh8er said...
Why not indeed. Hell… billion dollar payroll for a season? Get Manny, Tex, Peavey, ... What OTHER hundred million dollar contract can they BUY? I just HOPE they wind up BANKRUPT. AND.. Not make the playoffs again. Posted 12/17 at 02:19 PM
Craig Calcaterra said...
yankeeh8er: you get a +1 for living up to your name. You get a -1, however, for accusing the Yankees of making a joke out of a non-existant salary cap. You and I may not like the way they play, but they’re playing fair and square. Posted 12/17 at 02:34 PM
Ben said...
I would give yankeeh8er another -1 for not remembering the “I before E except after C” rule. Posted 12/17 at 02:57 PM
Craig Calcaterra said...
I’ll give him a pass on that, Ben. Good spleen cannot be bothered with sound grammar. Sometimes you just gotta bring the noise. Posted 12/17 at 02:59 PM
Jason @ IIATMS said...
I love the hate too. So what’s his argument going to be when the Sawx go 8 yrs/$250M on Teix. Then what? Who dumped the crickets in here?!? Posted 12/17 at 03:50 PM
MooseinOhio said...
Jason: If the Sox give Texiera $31.25 mil a year I will officially denounce my membership to RSN and may consider if they go much higher than $20mil/year or exceed 8 years. In fact a part of me want them to back away completely and win the AL East with the team they have and show others that they can win with drafted and developed talent and not high prices FAs. Of course I do appreciate you calling out the hypocrisy of any Red Sox fan who complains about the Yankees soending money. Any fan of a team with a payroll over $100 million cannot make use of the inflated payroll argument - that is truly restricted territory and can only be use by the fans of teams with limited funding sources. Posted 12/17 at 04:28 PM
Jason @ IIATMS said...
Moose: I had that wrong and my apolgies, I meant 8 yrs/$200M ($25m/yr). Would that change your thoughts? Posted 12/17 at 04:53 PM
MooseinOhio said...
Still makes me cringe. I really struggle with guaranteeing that much money over so many years, especially as it helps set the bar higher. Again a large part of me really wants them to walk away completely, sign Smoltz and a decent RH 4th outfielder and let minor leaguers fill in the remaining spots. That is, win with basically what they have which is a nice blend of homegrown talent, some good players via trade and couple of right fill in the gaps FA talent. You know - kind of like the Yankees did when they went of that great run in the late 1990’s. Posted 12/17 at 05:19 PM
Jason @ IIATMS said...
Moose: I hear ya, too. There’s something completely distasteful about the conspicuous consumption. Yet, there’s a big pie to spend and either it goes towards on-field talent or into the hands of the Steinbrenner family and other minority owners. Posted 12/17 at 05:24 PM
yankeeh8r said...
Sorry for the boff… Guess I could have said “roof” haha But clear me up here. There IS no salary cap? I thought there was some sort of compensation patment for the teams going over a certain amount. I know the revenue is split somewhat evenly for the garb whatnots. Posted 12/17 at 08:28 PM
Jason @ IIATMS said...
Hater: there is no salary cap; never was, never will be. There is, however, a luxury tax. The threshold this year (someone correct me if I’m off) is in the neighboorhood of $140 million. Depending on the number of years you have been over the threshold, your tax rate escalates to a max of 40%. So yes, the Yanks are paying $1.40 for every $1 over the $140m threshold. At $200m, they are paying an EXTRA $24m. This doesn’t include Revenue Sharing payments. So hate the Yanks all you wish, but they are helping other teams keep their studs. And Hater, one more thing that I’d love to get your thoughts on: When the Sox sign Teix to an 8 year, $200m contract, putting him at the 2nd highest AAV and Total Value contract in the game, what will you have to say for your Big Market Spending Team? What say you then? Posted 12/17 at 10:12 PM
yankeeh8r said...
Just another reason to hate them. Posted 12/17 at 11:39 PM
Craig Calcaterra said...
H8R: offer the strongest opinions you’d like on the opinions of the day, but if you continue to attack people, you’re banned from the board. Posted 12/17 at 11:47 PM
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Delta Burke yesterday, Meg Tilly today
+2 for Calcaterra