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Monday, January 26, 2009
MLB Front Office ManagerThere was a time when every boy wanted to play ball for a living, and until they could, they'd play ball outside all day.
At some point, every boy stopped playing ball outside all day, and began to play action-oriented computer baseball games inside all day.
At some later point, every boy stopped playing simple action-oriented computer baseball games and started playing roto, fantasy baseball, and computer games with GM modes so that they were simultaneously pretending to be ballplayers and general managers.
That phenomenon has now reached its logical extreme.
On Tuesday, 2K Sports will release its MLB Front Office Manager, and for those addicted to the stat-heavy pastime of running fantasy leagues, being a Major League Baseball general manager may never get closer . . .
Given the direction we're heading, at some point they'll make a game where players simply sign checks, grouse about labor costs, and sucker municipalities into paying for new ballparks.
(thanks to Pete Toms and Crowhop, who sent me the identical link withing approximately 7 seconds of one another)
Posted by Craig Calcaterra at 2:11pm
I’m sure a lot of the baseball nerds who stay glued to blogs like this are aware that sim baseball has been around for a long time in the form of online games like Out of the Park Baseball (OOTP). This seems like a mainstreamed version of those games, which can be incredibly complex (down to the hiring of scouts with varying talents, managing minor league teams, player-level strategies, etc).
If anyone’s interested, we always seem to be looking for owners in the OOTP8 league I’m in:
Posted 01/26 at 03:52 PM
Jason @ IIATMS said...
Can we hire sketchy insiders to be your team’s president (I’m leering at you Randy Levine)? He’s my sleeper in my Front Office Manager 2009 Draft.
Do you lose points if you LatAm scouts are skimming money? What about if your #1 pick blows out his arm in a bar fight (yeah you, Brien Taylor)?
Posted 01/26 at 03:52 PM
I wonder how this will stack up against Baseball Mogul. With all due respect to the realism of OOTP, I find BM has more mainstream appeal due to its ease of use and more intuitive interface. I suspect Front Office might even take the ‘lite’ sim of BM one step further.
Posted 01/26 at 05:27 PM
I’ve been a BM geek for about 10 years—ease of use is certainly the selling point. However, I did purchase OOTP…4, I think, some time ago, and loved the absolute complexity of the whole thing, but found that my then-computer just couldn’t simulate the thing fast enough to make it any fun. What sort of sim speed does OOTP have these days?
(sorry to jack this thread. love the blog, Craig. read it every day.)
Posted 01/26 at 05:34 PM
Brandon Isleib said...
OOTP did a lot of work to increase sim speed in the last 2 years…I have OOTP 2007 (a.k.a. OOTP 8) on a Dell Latitude D820 from 2006 (1 GB RAM, I think), and it runs at a great speed to me, even with minors enabled. From my recollection, OOTP 8 runs faster with minors enabled than OOTP 4, 5, 6 did with minors disabled.
I could be wrong, though…
Posted 01/26 at 06:40 PM
Chris H. said...
OOTP sims much, much faster now. It was rewritten a few versions back from the ground up, and is so much more complex now. You can use (if you want) a very elaborate scouting system where you can even send individual scouts to various parts of the world looking for talent, etc.
I’ve dabbled with Baseball Mogul but I find it rather unsatisfying after a day or so. OOTP, on the other hand, requires a significant investment of time to play, but the payoff is worth it.
OOTP 4 may have seemed very complex to you, but it’s definitely “lite” compared to the current iteration. You can play it from a “GM” perspective, or a manager perspective (in the current game I’m playing, I’m a manager at the Arizona Fall League level, hoping to get promoted soon). You can do a historical-type sim or create a completely fictional environment.
Or—as an example—you can play almost every game by taking over the Cubs organization and turning them into the dominant franchise of the NL for decades.
Mwa ha ha.
Posted 01/26 at 06:52 PM
Chris H. said...
Brandon: yes, OOTP 7/8/9 are much, much faster even with full minors enabled than OOTP 4/5/6 was with minors disabled.
Can’t wait to see what’s new in OOTP 10.
Posted 01/26 at 06:53 PM
Pete Toms said...
I never played sim stuff, table top or the like. I used to be in an old school pool, where you would go to the bar after work with your Bill Mazeroski or Street & Smiths and smoke smokes and drink beer and sit through 12 or 16 rounds of drafting hitters and then once a week you’d get your photocopied update of the stats. No trades, no pitchers, pretty much just total bases + ribbies. Loved it every year, the camaradarie and conversation between baseball geeks, following my guys in the boxscores every day….the hi tech fantasy leagues and such don’t appeal to me though….I’m just old.
These hi tech games ( though I know zero about them ) seem to be the natural extension of no tech drafts and dice games and the like…In “The Numbers Game” Schwarz writes about Epstein and Henry ( I’m forgetting others ) being big sim players and look how they turned out!
Posted 01/26 at 07:57 PM
Why did you mention that it features Billy Beane? That’s fantastic! I hope there’s a Joe Morgan character that goes around spewing garbage after every move we make.
Posted 01/27 at 03:22 PM
Look at this way…you can’t be any worse than Dayton Moore. Could be fun.
Posted 01/27 at 05:32 PM
OOTP really has come a long way over the years. The sim speed has vastly increased, as have the capabilities. At this point (with due respect to BM and DMB) it’s the king of the baseball sims. I’m on the Beta Team for OOTP 10, and there looks to be some exciting stuff coming for the next version.
If any of you want to jump into the OOTP waters, allow me to recommend the Planetary Extreme Baseball Alliance (PEBA). It’s a 24-team fictional league that’s in the process of adding a 12-team Japanese league, and new owners are needed for the expansion. Of course there’s much more: full minors, college and high school teams, winter leagues… the works.
The PEBA homepage: http://peba.allsimbaseball3.com
Posted 01/27 at 06:27 PM
I’m a big fan of OOTP. I’m wary of a game that comes out on the consoles being as good. I’m guessing Chris’s estimation that this is an even lighter baseball sim than Baseball Mogul is probably true. Hopefully it doesn’t take away too much revenue from OOTP.
Posted 01/27 at 08:48 PM