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Friday, June 26, 2009
MLB on JacksonDoes this give me license to go off topic and dive into a Posnanskian-length Michael Jackson essay when I get some time later today?
The year was 1976.
Posted by Craig Calcaterra at 9:42am
Not sure I agree. Here are his actual comments:
“okay not as bad as 911, its sad period, both situations my goodness people, they just said he is okay in the hospital…about 3 hours ago”
“The 9/11 was a bit over the top, i am just in an emotional state right now, bare with me while i regroup people, be back in 10 minutes…about 3 hours ago”
“Sorry 85 million times, today sucks man, i still have my jacket with the zippers on it, wow…about 3 hours ago”
Posted 06/26 at 01:44 PM
That was well-explained in an inconsistent sort-of-way. Seriously, though, I share your perspective, but I find myself reminding people today of the man’s alleged horrors as those same people fall over themselves praising his music,
Posted 06/26 at 02:46 PM
Craig, Milwaukee has a real inferiority complex because of Chicago. The two cities were comparable until the mid-1800’s when the population and industry exploded to the south. You won’t find a more ornery, insecure bunch of people than the ones who live in Milwaukee.
I grew up in Madison, and I have to deal with sighs and eye rolling when I even bring up the name of the town. You’d gather from the people of Milwaukee that they are the only ones who truly understand how the world works (very black and white) and the hippy liberals to the west only cause problems.
You really see it in the way that Prince Fielder and Ryan Braun are treated in town. Braun signed a long-term deal at the beginning of last season where Prince has made it pretty clear that he’s going to test free agency the first chance he gets. Prince is the more durable player and better hitter, but Braun is treated like a God because he made a commitment to the team and city. People won’t acknowledge that it was good financial move to accept largest contract for a player with less than one year of service time.
Posted 06/26 at 04:00 PM
Jack Marshall said...
Regarding comparisons between Manny and Jacko (and there’s a match I never thought I’d be contemplating): Jackson is responsible for his own actions regarding child molestation (yes, I think it’s almost certain that he was a serial abuser). That he, as an adult, is responsible does not alter the fact that his conduct was a likely bi-product of his own abuse and cruel upbringing, which has been fairly well documented. As a performer, Jackson should be judged on his talent and professionalism, which, when he was physically well, was pretty much beyond reproach. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has no character requirements, given what the profession is like and the people in it, this is hardly a surprise. I can respect Jackson as a performer but not as a person, and I can deplore his conduct as an individual while recognizing that he was, in great part, a victim.
Manny, while also immensely talented in his field, is emphatically NOT admirable in every aspect of his play, and in assessing the relevance of character to talent and acievements in entertainment, this is key. His character issues have led him to be unavailable to his team (as in the suspension); he has, in many case, not been a good team mate; he has behaved unprofessionally on the field (hustle, concentration lapses, undignified conduct) to the detriment of his team. While none of Manny’s non-baseball conduct (such as, if Boston writers are to be believed, not honoring pledges to give to charities and his high school athletic program) comes anywhere close to Jackson’s in degree of loathsomeness, his baseball-related conduct is worse than Jackson’s music-related conduct. If craft-related character and non-craft-related character,added together, form a kind of character OPS, Manny’s and Jacko’s might be pretty close. (I’d argue that, given their more general adulation as sports heroes, athletes’ non-craft-related character is still somewhat craft-related, but that’s too complicated to go into now). Personally, I don’t admire or like either of them. I have more respect for Jackson as a professional than I do Manny. I think, off the field or stage, Manny is the more likable individual but the less worthy professional.
Posted 06/26 at 04:22 PM
ditmars… I too tripped over the “homosexual” in the middle of all the other adjectives.
What if the description were “drug added, red-headed child molester”?
To me, the non-sequitur of the second descriptor is the same in both cases.
Posted 06/26 at 09:40 PM
If Jackson was known to have molested only red-headed children, it would not be a non-sequitur. I took the original comment to mean that he was a molestor of male children, and the author of the post’s subsequent follow-up convinced me he meant to be only factual.
Posted 06/27 at 03:17 PM