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Wednesday, August 05, 2009My Morning in ExileGray day, everything is gray. I watch but nothing moves today:But it all turns out all right, you see. And I go back to being me. Posted by Craig Calcaterra at 12:05pm Comments
P said...
They’re like any other mob—they lose any sense of right and wrong (even if they had it in the first place). Posted 08/05 at 12:35 PM
J.W. said...
Baseball gets kind of slow this time of year (you know, except for the games, themselves) so I’m all for a little controversy and pot-stirring. But the response you got for the Aaron bit is really kind of frightening. I’ve long said that fans who refuse accept advanced stats/analysis are entitled to do so and don’t bother me in the least unless their refusal indicates a wider unwillingness to think scientifically and logically and to be reasonable. The responses you’ve gotten show an inability to discern what is fair and right and ethical, an inability to get beyond absurd and hypocritical moralizing and the inability to even show a shred of common sense and decency. Particularly troubling are comments that are tantamount to, “well the players gave up their rights when they took an illegal drug.” The fact that people are incapable of taking this situation and imagining a “real-world” equivalent in which they could be in the position the players are in is just unbelievable. Normally I’m all for calmly considering other people’s positions and dealing with these folks head on and trying to change their minds, or at the least not letting comments go unresponded to, but today I’m just shaking my head. Posted 08/05 at 12:36 PM
MooseinOhio said...
Craig, Learned a great new word playing Scrabble with my father several years ago that my wife and I have incorporated in our lexicon: Nidget (see definition below). My wife thinks of it as a less harsh word to use (coded as well) and I realized that my retired father has way to much time on his hand and feeds he competitive nature by reading the Scrabble dictionary so he can beat as often as possible. Nidg´et Posted 08/05 at 12:51 PM
Craig Calcaterra said...
Crazy, ain’t it? Thankfully I’m having loads and loads of fun with it. I mean, yes, it’s scary as all get-out that some people think the way they do, but there is something liberating about telling them how scary they are. Posted 08/05 at 12:52 PM
Craig Calcaterra said...
What’s even crazier is that last week I wrote about this same subject in way harsher terms, and got relatively little reaction from it. All of the passion on the part of the nidgets (thanks Moose!) is a result of me disagreeing with Hank Aaron. Posted 08/05 at 12:54 PM
J.W. said...
The Twitter issues of the Chargers and ESPN highlight just how easy the decline into totalitarianism is. Starts off innocently enough, a few preemptive strikes for the greater good of the company here, a couple unnecessarily constricting policies there, and all of a sudden you have no freedom. I guess what I’m saying is, let’s not let anyone start building a clone army, mmmk? Posted 08/05 at 12:54 PM
MooseinOhio said...
What I find interesting is that folks want to release the names of ‘cheaters and criminal’, though I am sure not all of the PEDs were illegal, on the grounds that they did something illegal and therefore gave away all their rights. However, folks do not seem bothered that people (lawyers, other court officers, media) are violating the law by leaking and/or publishing leaked names. It seems to me to be awfully selective in how and when laws need to adhered to. Posted 08/05 at 12:56 PM
ChrisKoz said...
Good lordy there are some mouth-breathers over there. Now, I’m not saying anyone who disagrees with the point is a clueless dope, but some of those reactions are…well…incredibly dumb. My old Torts prof had a phrase he liked to use when he wanted to boil an issue down to it’s base components, “the literate 8-year old”. Things like “but that’s not fair!” “I didn’t meant to hit him” ,etc. Unfortunately, many of those posters are channeling the literate 8-year old a little too well and just going with their base, gut reactions. Posted 08/05 at 01:02 PM
Jason @ IIATMS said...
NIDGETS!!!!!! All of ‘em! (love it, Moose) Posted 08/05 at 01:07 PM
Aaron Moreno said...
That’s true moose, but you forget, the players are rich cheaters, so it’s okay. Posted 08/05 at 01:10 PM
Loren said...
“Gray day, everything is gray. I watch but nothing moves today” Posted 08/05 at 01:27 PM
bigcatasroma said...
I still don’t understand why someone like Aaron (did he pop greenies like the Say Hey Kid?) has more moral outrage over steroids while arguing that Pete Rose should be reinstated. I think it’s because the athletes are selfish, ignorant fools that only care about themselves - Aaron is mad someone like Bonds beat his HR record, but because Pete Rose was LOSING games on purpose, that meant other teams won. I don’t know, I’m fishing for something here - I guess what I’m trying to say is that Aaron cares about his own statistics, not the “pureness” of the game or whatever, and that’s why he’s pro-Rose and anti-steroid . . . Posted 08/05 at 01:29 PM
Jack Marshall said...
“Some names are leaked, so bring on the rest. Why alienate some and not all?” This comment over at NBC is typical of what far too many people call “logic” and “fairness.” If some people in a group get screwed, the fair thing is to make sure everyone in the group gets screwed. Or the converse: some people get an unfair advantage, so the only fair thing is to give everyone the same unfair advantage. I spend my whole day trying to explain this. People who think like this make a lot of laws and policy in this country—-they may even constitute a majority. Be afraid. Posted 08/05 at 01:36 PM
J.W. said...
It’s my optimistic belief that they don’t represent a majority, just a very vocal minority, and the degree of their compassionless, vitriolic nidgetness (I’m guessing Moose’s dad wouldn’t let me get away with this) creates a confirmation bias situation where it starts to seem like these people comprise the majority of the country/world. At least that’s what I have to believe or else I would feel like there’s no hope for changing folks. Posted 08/05 at 01:47 PM
Richard in Dallas said...
Craig - You know my feelings on the subject of PED’s. They haven’t changed since I last chimed in on one of these discussions. For the record, Henry Aaron is GRRATNESS both because of his accomplishments and his humility. I agree with his sentiment here, but understand the reasons not to do what he would like. The only reason that the release of these names (or the inability to do so) is that Donald Fehr is an a**hole and Bud Selig is a pu**y. The confidentiality of the list should never have been a negotiated restriction! I do, however, have a question for the shyster in you: If laws were, indeed, broken, would not the union be liable for not disclosing known criminal activity to the proper authorities? Isn’t there an obligation to the criminal justice system to disclose such known activity, regardless of any civil contract? That being the case, should the list not be turned over to police, who then could publish it if they wish? Posted 08/05 at 02:25 PM
Matt M said...
Quote of the day (not including the nidgets): “It’s not like we’re breaking up the ‘27 Yankees.”—Neil Huntington on the Pirates. http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9896228/Stripped-down-Pirates-nearing-historic-futility Posted 08/05 at 02:25 PM
Richard in Dallas said...
Craig - You know my feelings on the subject of PED’s. They haven’t changed since I last chimed in on one of these discussions. For the record, Henry Aaron is GREATNESS both because of his accomplishments and his humility. I agree with his sentiment here, but understand the reasons not to do what he would like. The only reason that the release of these names (or the inability to do so) is that Donald Fehr is an a**hole and Bud Selig is a pu**y. The confidentiality of the list should never have been a negotiated restriction! I do, however, have a question for the shyster in you: If laws were, indeed, broken, would not the union be liable for not disclosing known criminal activity to the proper authorities? Isn’t there an obligation to the criminal justice system to disclose such known activity, regardless of any civil contract? That being the case, should the list not be turned over to police, who then could publish it if they wish? Posted 08/05 at 02:26 PM
Craig Calcaterra said...
Richard: there is no obligation to report a crime except in certain limited cricumstances. If there was in the case of steroids tests in baseball, every employer in the country who conducts employee drug testing would be obligated to turn in its employees who test positive. The list actually exists as it currently does because federal agents seized the tests and the information from which the list could be complied (i.e. identifying information combined with test results). Posted 08/05 at 02:34 PM
Jack Marshall said...
THAT’s a good way for unions to behave: convince your members to take a drug test under assurances of confidentiality, then report the violators to the police! No employer is under an obligation to blow the whistle on an employee for drug abuse as the result of a voluntary (or mandatory) drug test, and a union that did so might as well just pack it in. The fact that you could even ask this question goes a long way toward explaining why you agree with Aaron. Wow. Posted 08/05 at 02:34 PM
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Craig: How you have the patience to actually read the comments today is beyond me. The IQ’s quickly drop from Santana fastball to Jamie Moyers speed within a few posts.