May 19, 2013
Who is Shyster?
Or you can search by:
Most Recent Comments
Sam Zell’s Nightmare Continues (10)
William S. Stevens: 1948-2008 (22)
Teixeira’s Options (18)
Cole Hamels Meets Talk Radio (23)
Appropos of nothing (4)
Shyster's Daily Circuit
Joe Posnanski Blog
Cot's Baseball Contracts
It IS About the Money
Baseball Think Factory
MLB Trade Rumors
Way Back and Gone
Bats -- NYT Baseball Blog
The Biz of Baseball
The Daily Fungo
The Common Man
Jorge Says No!
Baseball Over Here
Friday, September 25, 2009
My Morning in Exile"Empire Strikes Back" was on TV the other day. I came in right when Leia planted a wet one on Luke. Two possibilities: (1) either Lucas didn't really have the whole story arc planned out in advance; or (2) Mackenzie Phillips was an uncredited script doctor on that flick . . .
And at the risk of opening a prequel can of worms, how on Earth could Leia have said that her mother "died when I was very young," and she remembers "images, feelings. She was very beautiful, kind, but very sad" if she died during childbirth in "Sith"? The technical answer is that in 1983 or whatever they didn't know they were going to do the prequels, but you'd think that since he was getting, like, a billion dollars to make them, Lucas would have figured out how to make Padme's death jibe with the lines from "Jedi."
Sorry, but I'm a bit Star Wars preoccupied today.
Posted by Craig Calcaterra at 11:37am
Chris H. said...
And it occurs to me that the Yankees have a further advantage (besides payroll, etc.): if they end up in Minnesota or some other cold place, they can shelter inside of CC Sabathia.
OK, I’m done.
Posted 09/25 at 06:05 PM
And I thought he smelled bad on the outside!
Posted 09/25 at 06:46 PM
As usual, wikipedia may provide the answer to the Luke/Leia kiss mystery:
In an interview with TheForce.net, producer Gary Kurtz described an early outline for a nine film series. He stated that the original plan for Return of the Jedi was for Han Solo to die and Leia to become “Queen” of her people. Leia was not originally planned to be Luke’s sister. “Episode VII” was to focus on Luke Skywalker’s life as a Jedi, while “Episode VIII” marked the appearance of Luke’s sister (which was not Leia), and “Episode IX” was to be the first appearance of the Emperor.  In a later Film Threat interview, he stated that the idea for a third Star Wars trilogy “was very vague. It was Luke’s journey really up to becoming sort of the premiere Jedi knight in the Obi-Wan Kenobi mold and his ultimate confrontation with the emperor. That was the outline of it and all that happens.” 
If Leia wasn’t supposed to be Like’s sister, then the kiss makes sense.
Posted 09/25 at 08:58 PM
At the risk of being too PC, I gotta say that making light of Mackenzie Phillips’ situation—this was, after all, a pretty serious form of abuse at the hands of her father—doesn’t jive very well with the anger that was directed at Mark Whicker just one week ago.
Posted 09/27 at 01:58 PM
There was so much Star Wars disinformation in these replies that it made this girl sound like a Lucasfilm scholar, by comparison.
Here’s the scoop in a nutshell (to mix food metaphors):
1) The reason Luke and Leia kissed in ESB is because the Lucas hadn’t yet decided that they were siblings when it was made. When Yoda says “There is another” in ESB, Lucas wasn’t sure who he was referring to, but there were vague plans to introduce a new character in the next movie (ROTJ) who would be Luke’s twin. Although this has been documented in quantiplicate (despite a few apocryphal comments Lucas makes about his ‘Star Wars’ “vision” as though it comes to him through divine inspiration), the screenplay and the deleted passionate kiss in this trailer further demonstrate it.
2) The obvious explanation for Leia’s impossible recollection of her mom, Padme, is similar to the one above: Lucas hadn’t yet written ROTS when he wrote ROTJ. When it came time to write the prequels, he decided that it would be most dramatic to have Padme die in childbirth (although there were some early thoughts that Padme would live in exile herself for several years). Lucas was willing to sacrifice the continuity for the sake of the drama. (Some fans elect to ret-con the inconsistency by saying that, since Leia was Force-sensitive, her memories and feelings were so heightened that she could even remember being born. No dice, for me. I’m content to just accept the flaw and move on.)
3) There are not now, nor have there ever been, episodes 7 thru 9 written.
4) Lucas had not written the prequel trilogies when he made the original trilogy. In fact, he hadn’t even written the first and second sequels when he made the first one. He did have a few small elements of the prequels sketched out, much the same way all writers write down biographies of their characters, but it wasn’t intended to be a movie. The primary prequel element that was indeed written from the very start was that Obi-Wan Kenobi had defeated Darth Vader in a battle near a volcano which forced him to wear his life-support suit forever afterward.
5) If you’re interested in the evolution and backstory of Star Wars, I can’t recommend the book ‘The Secret History of Star Wars’, by Michael Kaminski, highly enough.
6) As long as you’re thinking about ‘Star Wars’, make sure to watch my ‘Star Wars’ mini-documentary and to share it with all your friends!
Posted 09/28 at 04:16 AM
Craig Calcaterra said...
Fair enough with all of that David, but how then does Luke “call out” to Leia when he was hanging on the antenna in Cloud City? That’s some Force stuff happening there, no? Is that just a plot cheat, or does Lucas figure that Leia has it for some reason?
Yeah, this is nitpick central, I know.
Posted 09/28 at 05:32 AM
The really sad thing about the SW prequils is they totally ruined the franchise. If they had never been made we’d always be able to think about how awesome they would have been, but now that they had, it kind of exposes the first three as a little hacky.
The same thing happened with all the “Highlander” movies. The first was way more enjoyable if you never saw the sequils.
Posted 09/28 at 09:30 AM
Greg Simons said...
@David, thanks for the link to the trailer. That lean in by Luke & Leia made my skin crawl. After seeing that, I’m assuming (and really, REALLY hoping) Lucas hadn’t decided yet they were siblings.
Posted 09/28 at 01:39 PM