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Wednesday, June 24, 2009Attention Baseball: put up more netsTyler Kepner is impressed with the safety measures at Turner Field:Turner Field is the second ballpark the Yankees have seen this season with protective netting that extends beyond the norm. Every stadium has a tall screen behind the plate to protect the fans from hard-hit foul balls. Here in Atlanta, the Braves also have a shorter screen, maybe eight feet off the ground, running in front of the seats behind the on-deck circles on either side of the plate . . . Such safety measures make sense, and should be in place at every ballpark. Kepner cites the death of Mike Coolbaugh as a cautionary tale, and notes how quickly baseball would act if the unthinkable happened and a fan was killed by a foul ball. Such a thing is not unthinkable in my hometown of Columbus, Ohio, however. That's because a thirteen year-old girl was killed by an errant puck during a Columbus Blue Jackets hockey game seven years ago. That incident led to the implementation of mandatory netting at either end of the rink in every arena. Before the incident there were all kinds of arguments against putting up such nets. Afterward, those arguments lost all currency. The same applies to baseball. I'm sure people can construct all kinds of arguments as to why they shouldn't extend protective netting down the lines. But in light of how big, strong, fast and, above all else, close Major League batters are to the fans these days, none of those arguments are enough to overcome the sheer logic and prudence which dictates putting up some nets. Posted by Craig Calcaterra at 11:28am Comments
Craig Calcaterra said...
I’ll agree with the principal that you have to be aware if you’re sitting down there, I’d also say that relying on assumption of the risk principles to get out of liability for an injury or a death is way more lawyerly than doing things that might keep baseball from ever having to resort to that defense to begin with. I think I’m particularly sensitive to this in light of the Blue Jackets incident. I understand that people have different views of it. I think, though, that if I ran a team, I’d run the nets a bit farther down the line than they’re usually run now. Posted 06/24 at 11:44 AM
Luis said...
I played and now coach HS baseball and throw BP every day and I am GLAD to have a screen to protect me/ When I go to minor league games and see how close and unprepared people are for the balls that may come their way, I cringe. Professional athletes hit the ball HARD! Assumption of risk is a nice term, but when some child or mother or father gets hit and gets hurt or worse, then teams will start to extend the nets. Kudos to the Braves for doing this.When I go I sit behind the net or far enough away to avoid a line drive. Posted 06/24 at 11:57 AM
Jim Casey said...
The assumption of risk is printed on every ticket, and there are signs in every ballpark warning people to be alert, not only for balls, but for bats as well. MLB wants people to have as many opportunities to get balls as possible, that’s why they told players a few years ago to toss the balls into the crowd after the 3rd out of each half-inning was recorded. Posted 06/24 at 12:08 PM
Aaron Moreno said...
The clauses on the ticket are meaningless other than to discourage people from suing in the first place. Assumption of risk only goes so far when you’re negligent. Posted 06/24 at 12:16 PM
Craig Calcaterra said...
True, Aaron. While my point here (for once) wasn’t to cast things in legal terms, it is worth noting that Brittaney Cecil’s family got a $1.2M settlement from the Blue Jackets and the NHL, and there are assumption of the risk disclaimers on those tickets too. Posted 06/24 at 12:21 PM
Jack Marshall said...
I’d love to know how many serious fan injuries there have been from batted balls. My impression is amazingly few, and if the injuries are increasing in frequency, I’ve missed it. Can’t the Blue Jackets tragedy be fairly regarded as a fluke accident, without it becoming the justification for excessive risk aversion? I guarantee that once barriers are put up in part of one ballpark, lawsuits will force barriers in virtually all parts of all ballparks. I worked a long time for the Trial Lawyers association…this is how they operate. And I’m sure the measures will prevent a few serious injuries and even a death or two over the next several decades. (Yes, I’ll be theoretically glad if that theoretical death prevented is me, or a loved one, or Craig). But the experience of attending a game will be diminished for millions. I’d rather see better education of the fans about dangers (like mandatory features about stadium safety run on the scoreboard between innings; special designation of dangerous areas so there truly is informed assumption of the risk) and even helmets made available for adults sitting close and mandatory for kids is the low seats, then see ball parks turned into outdoor hockey arenas. But this discussion has me convinced that this is exactly where we are headed. And as I look out at the rubber-surfaced park next door with the safety swings and the low jungle gym, I heave a sigh… Posted 06/24 at 12:22 PM
kramer said...
The liability issue if a tragedy happened (like it did in Columbus) isn’t really the point, is it? Isn’t the point of this to try to prevent something like this from happening to begin with, no matter how unlikely? Sure, if it did happen there would be a lot of talk about who was liable for what and assumption of risk and all that, but isn’t it preferable to avoid it all together? If there are particularly vulnerable or at risk seats at the park what’s the harm in extending the nets a little farther down. Id prefer to extend the nets and then argue about whether they are necessary until the end of time than to see another little girl die, even if it’s a 1 in a million chance. Posted 06/24 at 12:23 PM
Kramer said...
Of course Jack makes a lot of sense too. Much more sense than me, actually. Posted 06/24 at 12:25 PM
Craig Calcaterra said...
Jack is absolutely right about how the trial lawyers work, and he’s even putting it in kinder terms than I might if I were to go on at length. I’m a lefty who is against most tort reform measures that get introduced, but my experience defending lawsuits really opened my eyes to the cyncism and opportunism of the plaintiff’s bar. There’s something very wrong when someone gets excited—- and I mean it; they get excited—when a new theory of liability or new defective product is discovered. That said, if I were running a ballpark, I’d put up more nets. Maybe that’s inconsistent with my view of the trial lawyers, but I kind of don’t care. It only takes one ball to make these legal and jurisprudential arguments rather meaningless. Posted 06/24 at 12:37 PM
Jason B said...
“even helmets made available for adults sitting close and mandatory for kids is the low seats?” Sitting in 95-degree heat in a helmet would ruin a game for me about 7,000 times more than having to watch the game through a nigh-invisible net. Just sayin’. Posted 06/24 at 12:37 PM
Jack Marshall said...
Jason: I think that’s known as “the Gary Busey argument.” Posted 06/24 at 12:42 PM
Aaron Moreno said...
Tort lawyers are boatloads of fun. However, nets are cheap, life isn’t. You can complain about the extremes, but a few nets aren’t that extreme. Posted 06/24 at 01:13 PM
Jason @ IIATMS said...
What about protection from the business end of a shattered bat, helicoptering into the stands? Yet another vote for netting. Posted 06/24 at 01:24 PM
Jason F said...
I’ve felt for a very long time that creating more of a barrier between the field of play and the stands would benefit the game, and not just from a fan safety perspective. It bothers me to no end that front-row fans are not content with getting first dibs at pop fouls and balls tossed by players—they reach over the railing for ground balls (even ones in play) and occasionally interfere with fielders. I know they have a “right” to the ball if it’s destined for the seats, but to me the game should come first. What would be so wrong if we put hockey-style glass up around the perimeter of the field? Fly balls that would have made the stands would still do so. Future Bartmans would not be able to tangle with future Alous. Fielders could still toss balls into the seats after the third out (or second, Milton Bradley). And as an added bonus, we could standardize the top of the outfield fences to make for cleaner home run calls. Posted 06/24 at 01:26 PM
Ross said...
“Future Bartmans would not be able to tangle with future Alous.” And future Alous wouldn’t have the opportunity to even make a play on the borderline ball near the wall. Posted 06/24 at 01:48 PM
Chris G said...
Why stop at baseball? I have been driving past a golf course and had a ball bounce off the hood of my car. If I had had my family in tghe car and it had hit the windshield instead of the hood, there could have been four, or more, people dead. Living is a risk and in all the years we have been on the planet, no one has ever gotten out alive. Posted 06/24 at 01:51 PM
Jack Marshall said...
Jason…nothing would be “so wrong”, just as nothing would be so wrong in NBA games with barriers preventing players from flying into fans’ laps. Just makes the game less interesting and fun, that’s all. No player dives into the stands to catch a ball. No low fence in right filed at Fenway…no Dewey Evans home run save (just a saved double off the..yechh…plexiglass) Don’t you think at least knowing what the number of spectator injuries are would be should be part of the discussion? The “if it saves one life, it’s worth it” mindset pretty much wipes out car racing, puts us in tanks instead of automobiles, and bans commercial fishing, coal mining and high rise construction. Posted 06/24 at 01:55 PM
Wooden U. Lykteneau said...
Jack - I go to 75-80 games a year, and I would guesstimate that I see five fans get clocked by line-drive fouls, and that’s in minor-league ballparks where few players are strong/fast enough to pull a ball foul. Granted, most of the time it’s from the fan not paying proper attention, but unfortunately, it’s also usually a 7-9-year-old kid that doesn’t know that he ought to be paying extra-close attention when it’s a RHB and he’s sitting on 1B side or vice-versa. Never mind what you see in major-league parks: Butterfingered never-weres deflecting the ball. I always keep score, so I always sit behind HP, which I think ought to be a requirement for anyone with an infant or toddler. Posted 06/24 at 02:00 PM
Aaron Moreno said...
Like I was saying, taking to the extreme gets us nowhere. Jack, Chris, do you guys look before crossing the street? When you drive, do you try not to hit pedestrians? Risk exists, but that doesn’t mean you don’t get out of the bed in the morning. Try to be more reasonable. Posted 06/24 at 02:05 PM
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Spoken like a good lawyer. I still like the assumption of the risk principle. If you aren’t going to be ready for the screamers, sit someplace else. Once they start putting up barriers, it will never stop until the whole fild is surrounded by plexiglass. I believe the only fan ever killed by a batted ball in Fenway Park was a young girl sitting in the centerfield bleechers, hit in the head by a home run by Bob Tillman when she wasn’t looking.