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Wednesday, August 26, 2009

Not only was the leaking wrong . . .

. . . but so too was the seizing of the list in the first place:

A federal appeals court has ruled that investigators were wrong to seize a list of 104 Major League Baseball players who tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs during the 2003 season. The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled Wednesday that federal authorities had the right to take only the results of the 10 players listed on their search warrant. Federal agents took the larger list players during 2004 raids in connection with their probe of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative, later found to be at the center of a steroids distribution ring.

It was already ridiculous and ignorant for people to call for "all the names to be released." Now it's even more ridiculous.

Posted by Craig Calcaterra at 2:19pm


Comments

Greg Simons said...

Capper, my point was that plenty of guys are still pumping fastballs well into the 90s.  Do you have evidence of pitchers throwing slower than they were a decade ago?  Or, really, slower than they have in the last 50-plus years, because fastballs have been in the 90s for a long, long time.

I wasn’t trying to come across as superior, but when you say something like that with nothing to support it, it’s going to be challenged.

I do apologize for going after you personally.  That was uncalled for.

Posted 08/26  at  08:17 PM
Steve said...

The world does not end at the borders of this country, and steroids are not illegal without a prescription in many places.  Most of the guys currently getting caught for steroids in the minors probably didn’t break any laws, as the activity things detected in their system here were acquired and used elsewhere.

The only argument I’ve seen for revealing the list is “because I’d like to know”.  That’s not a reason.

Posted 08/26  at  08:58 PM
Bob Tufts said...

The most inspid piece so far….Tim Dahlberg, AP
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5giNXJgF3h6KpgBWHmMSL31s7w_2QD9AAS4LG2
“It was all supposed to be a secret. And it would have been if those pesky federal investigators hadn’t tried to find out what was really going on in baseball. They wanted answers, and they weren’t going to get them from the players. So they went on a fishing expedition and reeled some big names in.
Of course, now we know a few of them — some lawyers who couldn’t keep a secret and some aggressive reporters took care of that.
There’s nothing in the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruling Wednesday that will change that. The 70 pages of legal opinion don’t change the court of public opinion, which has long since found the outed players (yes, even Big Papi) guilty.”

Posted 08/26  at  09:14 PM
smsetnor said...

If you don’t think all of the players should be announced, then you’re not American and you hate freedom.  Because Real Americans know that in Merica, you can suspend other people’s rights when it’s in your best interest.  I think Thomas Jefferson said it best when he said, “All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression.  The only exception is baseball, because like that jerk John Adams (ROIDER!), all cheaters should be exposed and burned.”

Posted 08/27  at  01:45 AM
Jeff Mathews said...

I think it’s funny that a guy who advocates illegally releasing what is essentially confidential medical information does not even attach his real name to his opinion.

Posted 08/27  at  11:29 AM
Mike B said...

Releasing the names would be a crime.  That much seemed clear before the 9th Circuit stepped in.

But releasing the names, while illegal, might also be good for the sport.  I don’t think it is responsible for the media to call for the release of the names (advocating a crime, and whatnot).  But I wouldn’t feel particularly bad if it happened, either.

On another note, I look forward to the brave outed player who files that future lawsuit: but for your breach of duty, I would have been inducted in to the hall of fame.  What damages?

Posted 08/27  at  12:15 PM
Aaron Moreno said...

Jeff, if you don’t like it, then you can geeet out!

Posted 08/27  at  12:30 PM
Greg Simons said...

Aaron, I still can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not.

Posted 08/27  at  01:16 PM
TCQ said...

Guys: I’m a bit late to this conversation, but here goes…

I think the list should be released. I understand that, as of now, it’s ilegal to do that, and obviously I’m not saying that the law should be broken again. But the reasoning behind said law is a bit naive, I think. Someone has the list, and is leaking names. The biggest names have probably already been put out there, but why does anyone think that person won’t keep this issue alive for as long as he or she possibly can? More names will come out; probably, every name that’s remotely notable will. It’s doing a disservice to the players whose names will inevitably be tarnished not to dilute the back lash against all of them by concentrating the appearance of the names.

Just to be clear, if I believed every single copy could be destroyed, I’d be okay with that. But that’s where the naivete referenced above comes into play: do we really think that a continued investigation is going to be THAT effective? I don’t. The names are coming out one way or another. Why not pre-empt the drama and just get this over with so we can move on?

Posted 08/28  at  01:17 AM
Kevin S. said...

Actually, once the official list gets destroyed, the rest is non-credible rumor-mongering, and unless you get someone like A-Rod who fesses up, they can reasonably deny it.

Posted 08/28  at  06:01 AM
TCQ said...

Right…Because players won’t be haunted by even semi-legit accusations for the rest of their respective careers…sure.

And seriously, A-rod isn’t exactly an aberration. Once everyone believes you’ve tested positive, the only reasonable PR move is to admit it…especially if you’re actually guilty, as most of these guys probably are.

Posted 08/28  at  03:05 PM
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