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Thursday, March 19, 2009
The Fifth Starter Shall Be LivanMets fans can't be pleased about this:
Omar Minaya referred to Livan Hernandez as "inventory" when the veteran pitcher signed on Feb. 14. Now, Hernandez is on the verge of claiming the No. 5 spot in the rotation, while team officials appear to be seriously weighing the release of pre-camp favorite Freddy Garcia.
Yeah, and he struckout 15 Braves in a playoff game in 1997. He had Eric Gregg then and has had the absence of the game's best hitters to face him this spring. Neither mean that he's someone a playoff contender wants in their rotation in 2009. If you don't believe me, just ask Twins' fans.
The guy has not been even average over the course of a season since 2005, and there's no reason to believe that he will be this year. If this is the best the Mets can do, they're going to have some trouble.
Posted by Craig Calcaterra at 10:06am
Sal Baxamusa said...
Bonus points for the Elton John reference. I’ve always wondered why that hasn’t become a meme that follows Livan wherever he goes. Life can be so disappointing sometimes.
Posted 03/19 at 10:46 AM
APBA Guy said...
In October, when we try to remember when and where it all went wrong for the Mets in 2009, we can look back at them buying two closers but not having a 5th starter. A fifth starter is expected to do 160 innings, hopefully at league average, but certainly in that neighborhood.
Folks, Livan Hernandez was worse than Kenny Rogers last year. He provided his 180 innings at a sterling 6.05 ERA. Mets fans, when he leaves a start in the sixth inning you will have surrendered 4+ runs, on average. Tough to win when your team averaged around 3.5 runs after 6 innings.
Posted 03/19 at 10:47 AM
Detroit Michael said...
Not that I want to be in the business of defending Livan Hernandez, but releasing Freddy Garcia isn’t that indefensible. Over the last 2 years, he has averaged 36.5 IP with a 5.55 ERA and an average fastball velocity now below 89 mph. Garcia isn’t the answer either.
Thanks, Sal, for pointing out the Elton John reference: I had missed it.
Posted 03/19 at 10:55 AM
This is the Mets we’re talking about here, and after all this sterling performance, they lost.
Posted 03/19 at 12:09 PM
Jeff Mathews said...
Yeah, Livan Hernandez is a terrible pitcher, but most 5th starters are. Hernandez has a CHONE projection for a 5.25 ERA, I believe, which is pretty average for a #5. That doesn’t mean the Mets couldn’t try to do better than Hernandez, but who is both better and available?
Pedro? He’s projected to be a bit better at 4.97, but I wouldn’t pay $5 mil guaranteed for 75 IP. Niese would probably be a better choice, but he hasn’t really done anything to help himself this spring (6 ER in 8 IP). He won’t crack the rotation because the Mets hate rookies.
Posted 03/19 at 01:39 PM
Jason @ IIATMS said...
Craig: remember our debate: http://itsaboutthemoney.blogspot.com/2009/01/suckiest-pitcher-of-00s.html
Livan’s stats put him as the suckiest pitcher of the 00’s, but you have to be good enough to play long enough to suck as badly has he does. wait, what?
Posted 03/19 at 03:00 PM
Jason @ IIATMS said...
MOST LOSSES: Livan Hernandez (112), but Javier Vazquez is six back if Livan doesn’t find work.
MOST HITS ALLOWED: Livan Hernandez (2,230), meaning Livan has given up 500 more hits in the ‘00s than Derek Jeter has gotten.
MOST RUNS ALLOWED: Livan again (1,053), which means the only player in baseball who has scored more runs in the ‘00s than Hernandez has allowed is A-Rod (1,112).
Posted 03/19 at 03:01 PM
What a brilliant move by the Braves!
Taking a dive against Livan Hernandez in a meaningless spring training game so that he wins a spot in the Mets’ rotation.
Posted 03/19 at 04:01 PM
Every time this guy pitches, Mets fans are going to wish they could take a balloon and go sailing…
Posted 03/19 at 04:51 PM
Jason B said...
Daniel, you’re older than me. Do you still feel the pain? Of the scars that won’t heal?
Whatever…you’re a star in the face of the sky.
Posted 03/19 at 11:34 PM
Chris Jaffe said...
“The guy has not been even average over the course of a season since 2005,”
Posted 03/20 at 09:24 AM
Rudy Gamble said...
We at Razzball are delighted with Livan getting the nod. He was the most valuable pitcher in our league given his consistent awfulness.
Am I the only that suspects the Mets/Minaya have a Latin bias? At what point do they trade or refuse to sign Wright and Maine? I’m shocked they picked up Putz…
Posted 03/20 at 01:48 PM
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