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Thursday, July 30, 2009Well whaddaya know . . .David Ortiz hit a three run homer to put the Sox up on the A's a few minutes ago.I'm assuming the crowd cheered. Posted by Craig Calcaterra at 4:42pm Comments
MarkH said...
As they should have done, for a home run that puts their team ahead. Posted 07/30 at 05:06 PM
lar said...
From what I’ve read, Craig (mostly via Twitter and Pinto), they actually wanted a curtain call from Papi. Kind of clear what they’re feeling. (does that mean no more “A-Roid” signs in Fenway?) Posted 07/30 at 05:09 PM
TC said...
THEY SHOULD BAN HIM FROM BOSTON! HE’S CORRUPTING THE CHILDREN! Posted 07/30 at 05:29 PM
Rob² said...
As a Red Sox fan, this is all unfortunate news. With Manny and Ortiz linked to The List, the fandom at Fenway will have to revert to chanting, “Yankees Suck! Yankees Suck!” Could we please come up with something better? Posted 07/30 at 09:56 PM
Jack Marshall said...
Dealing with the instant conflict of a very recently-fallen hero (how many in attendance knew about the Times story?)hitting a game-winning home-run for their team, fans couldn’t possibly be expected to do anything else. But if you really think Boston fans will respond to this LA-style, you are wrong, wrong, wrong. I think, for once, the unaminous Boston sports media reaction (“Big Papi is a lying fraud”)is much closer to the vox populi. I’m a long-time Ortiz admirer, but I would be impressed and glad if the Sox just released Ortiz for misleading the team, the city and the fans. (Do I think they will? Of course not.)In most professions, this is what would happen, and none of this “one mistake” and “we’re all human” blather. The Police Chief in Alexandria VA was arrested for DUI, and was sacked the next day. Exactly. Posted 07/31 at 09:45 AM
P said...
“The Police Chief in Alexandria VA was arrested for DUI, and was sacked the next day. Exactly. “ Because getting drunk and endangering others on the road by driving and cheating to increase your work performance are totally the same thing. Posted 07/31 at 10:02 AM
Jack Marshall said...
Yes, P, and sarcasm is a great substitute for argument. Posted 07/31 at 10:09 AM
P said...
One can find similarities between the two acts if one looks hard enough, but to equate them is to ignore all the differences. The police chief risked harm to the public he was sworn to protect—this makes him a liability. Ortiz took steroids and failed a test 6 years ago—how does this make him a liability now? Posted 07/31 at 10:35 AM
Jack Marshall said...
“How does that make him a liability now?” Are you kidding? His statements over the winter were in the same category as Raffy’s finger-wagging. He is the face of the franchise, and is now exposed as a liar and a cheat.His presence on the roster at a high salary makes it difficult for the team to say that it doesn’t condone PED use. The Chief was fired, not because he was drunk and not because he endangered people, but because he is the leader of the city’s law enforcement and can’t lead if his own conduct violates the laws he is sworn to uphold. Ortiz is a leader of a baseball team that is bound to obey rules and laws and principles of sportsmanship, and that cannot have its leaders, who represent the team and the community, break those rules and laws. Posted 07/31 at 10:50 AM
P said...
Jack- Yeah, his perception is worse, but the team won’t consider him a liability until he stops producing. Unlike the officer, Ortiz isn’t entrusted to enforce the laws/rules he violated, and while obedience to the principles of the game is nice, it is probably insignificant to the team compared to his on-field performance. If I recall, the Yankees put up a stink about Giambi’s PED use only when his production suffered. If Ortiz hits the rest of the year like he did in April, I can see the Red Sox doing something, but he’s been hitting well enough the last two months that I don’t see them dumping him. And why would they? For doing something that (at minimum) 102 other players did 6 years ago? Posted 07/31 at 11:21 AM
Osmodious said...
The stands at Fenway were strangely devoid of foam syringes…odd. Just wait until next Thursday in the Bronx, though… Posted 07/31 at 11:29 AM
Jack Marshall said...
P…no, for pretending to be someone that he isn’t. I think the comments condemning steroids placed him in a category that he is bound by now.I’m sympathetic to a guy who fell into PED use, but if he did, he can’t pretend that he’s a hard-liner against them to bolster his image. If teams would take the hit and be willing to internally have a policy that they will release steroid-users, period…or insist on contracts allowing them to cancel the contract of PED users—-and then enforce them—it would go a long way to changing the culture. (This could only be a team-by-team approach without risking collusion, and even then it’s a risk) Papi’s not going to the Hall anyway, and he’s not getting suspended…he’s got his contract…what his penalty? A few boos? Shame? Posted 07/31 at 11:53 AM
TC said...
Jack- I can’t help but wonder if there is a critical difference between law-breaking by those who enforce the law, and those who are merely under its jurisdiction. Posted 07/31 at 01:25 PM
Jack Marshall said...
TC—-No question: there is. Legal violations by officials charged with administrating or enforcing the law is worse. I don’t dispute that…this is why Craig says that the leaks by the lawyers are worse than the steroid abuse. Posted 07/31 at 01:42 PM
TC said...
Jack- While I can get on board with the principle of a team holding their players to a certain moral and ethical standard, making it clear that if they want to play, they will play by the rules, all the time, I cannot get on-board equating Ortiz with the Chief of police in Alexandria. From my view, the Chief was arrested for DUI while Chief of police. I only know this story from these comments, so forgive me if the facts are incorrect—I am making a couple of assumptions here. I’ll hazard he was off-duty, but nonetheless, his employer was the city and he was, at the time, still the head of the police department. As the top enforcer of the law, violated that which he is supposed to uphold was deemed unacceptable, and he was consequently sacked. Ortiz, at the moment, is rumored/accused/said/whatever to have tested positive for banned substances in 2003. He signed a new contract (with the same employer) in 2007, which he is still under presently. Your proposal is to void his current contract for an unconfirmed violation which occurred during his previous contract. Ortiz was hired by the Red Sox (and re-hired by them) to help them win ballgames. His moral and ethical character were considered only insofar as whether he will hurt the team by doing… whatever. If Ortiz fails a test in 2009, and the team cuts him, fine. Though I am on the record in support of steroid use in sports, I’m still opposed to breaking the rules, and if the Red Sox decide that rule-breakers will not be tolerated, more power to them. But it seems to me that punishing a player for an unconfirmed violation—under a previous contract, when the rule itself was, well, murky at best—is too much. Posted 07/31 at 03:48 PM
Jack Marshall said...
Obviously, I hope, I would only advocate such an extreme measure in the case of a verified, proven and knowing use use of steroids. A virtual no-exceptions policy of not acquiring or keeping any proven PED-user would be the goal. Alexandria’s an interesting case. A couple years ago the star superintendent of schools got DUI’ed and was kept on despite media and public criticism. A new school board was elected, and she was suddenly canned. The police chief was the victim of this reconsidered no-tolerance policy. Posted 07/31 at 04:48 PM
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Tsk, tsk and you reference ESPN instead of the Blue Network.
And it IS that 6th year when it kicks in.