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Tuesday, December 02, 2008
Who calls a guy a “phony” anymore?Holden Caulfield --er, I mean Joel Sherman of the New York Post has some sharp words for Andy Pettitte:
If Pettitte signs elsewhere, regardless of the dollar figure, he should be viewed as a world-class phony forever around here. There should be no more pardons. He should receive no invites to future Old-Timers Games, hear no cheers when the dynastic teams reassemble.
I suppose it's fair to call Pettitte out if you feel he reneged on a pledge to remain a true and blue Yankee forever end ever, but (a) I don't think that anything he said at the time amounted to such a pledge; and (b) even if it did, surely there is some reasonableness test to be applied to such a situation. Would Pettitte be a phony if the Yankees offered him the major league minimum while the Dodgers offered him a raise? Would the Yankees make any assurances that he wouldn't be DFA'd if he went 3-9 with a 7.53 ERA through June? Are they doing things with blood oaths in the Bronx now, or are all of the parties involved still business people?
But even if Pettitte is a phony and takes his phony left arm to Phonyville, California for all of that phony baloney money, is it really necessary to drum him out of the clubhouse the way Sherman does? No cheers and no Old Timers games? For a guy who was a key part of four World Championship teams?
Yankees fans and Yankees writers often wonder why a free agent would choose to play anywhere else but in New York. When I read stories like this one I wonder why anyone would want to at all.
Posted by Craig Calcaterra at 1:38pm
Craig Calcaterra said...
Bruno—Criticize people’s arguments all you want. Indeed, feel free to explain to me all of the reasons I’m full of it in a 1,200 comment. If it’s good, I’ll even put it in a blog post.
But drop the crude stuff and drop the infantile garbage. Any more of it, and your comments get deleted. Any more beyond that, and your IP address will be banned. This has been a friendly blog for a long time now, and friendly it shall stay.
That aside, I’m still waiting for someone to tell me how the Yankees went out of their way for Pettitte, and why Pettitte’s right to freely make a contract with the highest bidder should be curtailed because of it.
Posted 12/02 at 09:32 PM
i for one loooooooove Andy Pettite .. when i 1st read about his name in the steroid report i felt my heart drop. Im 23 years old going on 24, so from the ages of 11 on up Pettite, Jeter, Posada, Mo, Joe Torre, Girardi… were heroes to me ... God like figures who got to do everyday what i would give my left leg to do just once.. and thats play in Yankee stadium… on the same grass and dirt Mickey Roger Maris Joe D The Babe and the Iron horse all played on. It hurts me to hear Andy referred to as a phony but everyone has there opinion. Opinions are like assholes everyone has one… unfortunatley for Joel Sherman hes never had to be competitive. All he does is make comments on things he cant ever do. Its easy to judge a player in any sport, but i ask you this Mr Sherman, can you throw a 12-6 curve ball? a cut fastball?? even a circle change ( the 2nd most basic pitch you are taught ) ... id probably say #### no ... those who cant do, teach, as the saying goes.. in this instance its those who cant do or teach talk #### by way of an article in a newspaper. Andy has been one of the most consistant and productive Yankees in tha history of the Yanks and id #### an absolute infant if his number isnt retired one day right next to that character defining shnoz in monument park. For the man to even be able to pitch under the incredible scrutiny he was under and still maintain the record he did is commendable. The US Govt pretty much threw his relationship with his best buddy under the bus, add that to the open book his life is because he deals directly with the dirtbag media dogs we have here in NY, im shocked he didnt retire mid season. Why not stop focusing on trying to ruin the image of a proven blood sweat and tears champion, and focus the scrutiny on the lame ass punks we have in the farm system. we put a dick load of stock in ian kennedy and phil hughes ( whose names dont even deserve to be capitalized ) who went what? a combined 0-9 with an era of over 20.00. Pettite was a freshman in High School when these chumps were swimming around in their Daddies ball sacks and they couldnt stay healthy enough to only be terrible.. instead they exceeded expectations in the area of sucking ass. Plain and simple no matter where Pettite lands his place in Yankee lore is sealed… a great ball player a great teammate a hell of a nice guy ( ive met him ) a church goer and a great american. PERIOD. he has nothing to prove .. look up his stats at ESPN.com ... however if you want to ruin him but praise utter garbage .. Me and my friend Nick are the same age as kennedy and hughes .. we can go 0-9 with a 20.00 era for free ... wearing those pinstripes is payment enough ... i didnt know sucking was ok but feeling ur worth 16mill is a travesty
Posted 12/02 at 10:03 PM
So a guy who writes for the New York Post says someone has no credibility . . . that’s pretty funny.
Posted 12/02 at 10:34 PM
Craig Calcaterra said...
No kidding. Anyone who writes for the Post has no room to say anything about anyone:
Um, yeah . . .
Posted 12/02 at 10:38 PM
Frankly, I like this tidbit of logic:
1) Andy Pettitte should sign a contract with the Yankees or be considered a phony because he is generally believed to prefer playing in New York.
2) CC Sabathia should sign a contract with the Yankees because they are offering him far more money than his generally believed to be preferred destination of Southern California. One assumes failure to sign said contract would make him a phony, or at least a fat pussy toad.
Posted 12/02 at 11:01 PM
“he should suck it up, negotiate a fair $10-12M deal, and work his ass off this offseason. or retire.”
What are we quasi-commies? Its a capitalism people, if a team wants to shell out $16m + then not only should he take it, but if he doesn’t, he would be committing an injustice! Since when is baseball about sentimentality, and loyalty? Its a business from where I come from, and where was this loyalty crap when the yankees sold andy down the river a couple of years ago as they chased their latest off-season affection (Arod). If the yanks get off the hook for letting Andy walk to Houston, then Andy ought to be able to blow the Yankees off just as well this time around. Besides, who wants to pitch for that awful team of has-been all-stars at every position?
Posted 12/02 at 11:52 PM
Don’t you remember when Pettitte came down with a rare and lethal strain of the T-virus and the Yankees spent millions to provide Pettitte with “the antidote”? C’mon Andy, they scratched your back, now scratch theirs…
Posted 12/03 at 01:30 AM
Most Yankee fans like and appreciate Pettitte, and they did not blame him for leaving originally because the Yankees basically made him feel unwelcome. They may be doing it again, although I think this is more a battle for the right price that both sides will agree on.
Do even NYers take anything the tabloid newspapers write seriously? I doubt it.
Posted 12/03 at 01:50 AM
I enjoy reading Sherman’s stuff. There is a certain je ne sais quoi that flows through it that reminds me of fantasy baseball.
However, I am a Yankees’ fan, and my family is a big Andy Pettitte fan. Sherman’s opinion was hysterical and on par with George King’s very, very tired American Idle references to Carl Pavano.
Just as I possess some opinions that may not be popular, I’ll give Mr. Sherman a pass on the Pettitte one.
Posted 12/03 at 10:13 AM