Rooting for Jerks Without Being One

It was easier to root for Daniel Murphy during his October home run barrage. (via Arturo Pardavila III)

It was easier to root for Daniel Murphy during his October home run barrage. (via Arturo Pardavila III)

Baseball fandom is inherently irrational.

Why are you a fan of any team? Is it because you carefully evaluated all the teams for moral correctness before determining which one has a code closest to your own values? (Good luck with that: “Hmm, this team wants to make money while this other team is trying to… oh wait, they’re all just trying to make money.”) Or is it because you happened to be born near a team, or because your mom was born near a team, or because seven-year-old you thought a particular color combination looked cool?

Let’s assume logic and rationality didn’t have much to do with it. I should know, I rooted for Barry Bonds (more on that later).

Something else: Baseball is a diversion. Work is stressful, family is stressful. When you sit down to watch a game, you can put worries aside. The problems in baseball are — or should be — confined to the game. You might get mad about seeing (for example) the manager leave a struggling pitcher in too long so that he can get a win, but when the game is over, the annoyance fades. Sports are a proxy for real life, with internal conflicts that entertain and distract, but ultimately don’t affect us on a deep level. Sports are entertainment, where the good guys and bad guys are merely actors, and we can walk out of the ballpark without worry.

Unless, of course, there’s a jerk on the team.

You know who I’m talking about. Maybe he’s been arrested for assault, but the charges were dropped. Still, you have trouble cheering quite so loudly when he comes to bat. Or he said something stupid to a reporter, or on Twitter. Maybe he just seems to be an unpleasant jerk on the field. Perhaps you find PEDs particularly troubling, and you groan over your team signing someone who was popped and served a suspension. Maybe he’s a good player, but when you know that he’s rude, a bigot, or possibly even a criminal, it’s hard to know how to feel about him wearing the colors of the team you love so irrationally.

This came up a couple times during the 2015 playoffs. The first time was when Chase Utley’s late slide broke up a double play and Ruben Tejada’s leg during the National League Division Series. The baseball world went wild with attacks and counterattacks. Chase Utley plays hard — too hard! It seems he’s always involved in these plays! He’s a bad sport! (The resulting backlash from Dodgers and — especially — Phillies fans at seeing their fave trashed by the media and other fans escalated this argument on Twitter to absurd heights.)

The second 2015 postseason jerk was Daniel Murphy, a career 110+ OPS hitter whose torrid postseason seemed to carry the Mets all the way to the World Series, where his bat finally cooled (and his defense unraveled). But during the NLCS, every time he hit another home run, my Twitter timeline lit up to remind everyone that way back during spring training, he decided to speak out against MLB Ambassador for Inclusion Billy Bean, who is gay:

I disagree with his lifestyle,” Murphy said. “I do disagree with the fact that Billy is a homosexual. That doesn’t mean I can’t still invest in him and get to know him. I don’t think the fact that someone is a homosexual should completely shut the door on investing in them in a relational aspect. Getting to know him. That, I would say, you can still accept them but I do disagree with the lifestyle, 100 percent.”

I don’t know about you and the people you know (on the internet or in person), but this is definitely not a winning argument with the people I follow on Twitter — including Mets fans. But when their team was winning because of Murphy’s heroics on the field, it was hard for them to scorn him. When he hit six home runs in six games in October, even the most principled Mets fan had trouble wishing he wasn’t on the team.

Indeed, one of my Twitter people — a Mets fan, and someone who does not agree with his viewpoint on homosexuality — said that while Murphy’s words are despicable, his ideas are probably shared by a lot of baseball players, who tend toward the conservative politically. Why, she asked, do we condemn him, when there’s no doubt he’s not alone? (And of course he isn’t – most notably, Torii Hunter has gotten plenty of feedback for saying much the same thing. I think we can reasonably assume that others silently agree, but are wise enough to keep their mouths shut.)

The answer is that words matter. Actions matter. Actively voicing abhorrent ideas is worse than merely thinking them. The words people say and the actions people take are what shapes our society. As long as people continue to use hurtful language and engage in hurtful behavior (i.e., always) we’re going to be conflicted over how to handle it. And sports fans will continue struggle with how to root for someone they might not personally like.

How do we do it?

First, don’t deny or brush aside the facts. If a player decides to verbally harass a beat writer and call him vile names, that’s a jerk move. A player choking a teammate in the middle of a game? Jerk move. Making an excuse for it makes you look like the jerk. It doesn’t matter what their jobs are. They’re still people living in a society, where we can expect to go to work and do our jobs without someone accosting us with insults or physical attacks. Before you decide to defend a player who has done something naughty, consider whether you would like to experience that sort of behavior in your place of work.

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Goodbye for now.

Oh, and telling me that I don’t understand what makes baseball exempt from the expectation that we not be verbally or physically attacked at work because I “never played the game?” Jerk move. (Seriously, don’t do it.)

Dusty Baker recently learned the hard way that praising Aroldis Chapman, who is being investigated for alleged domestic violence, as a “a heck of a guy” is similarly not a great move. His further ramblings about we don’t know what’s going on and that a friend of his is being abused by his female partner, were inexcusable. He’s correct in that we (which includes Baker, by his own admission) do not have all of the details, but leaping to the defense of someone accused of a serious crime is insensitive at the very least.

Baker added that “baseball is a microcosm of society.” It is not. Baseball is nothing like society. It is overwhelmingly male, and it is extremely wealthy. It is filled with people who are fanatically competitive. Perhaps if one spends enough time in that society, one might not realize how unusual the world of professional ballplayers is, but in the wider society — the one that includes women — domestic violence is not so easily ignored.

Second, accept that baseball is within its rights to take actions independent of the law. In light of Rockies shortstop Jose Reyes’ arrest for domestic violence, I tweeted my hopes that MLB would take the case seriously. (My subsequent suggestion that baseball do they opposite of whatever the NFL would do might appear a bit flippant, but I sincerely hope that the MLB not follow down the NFL’s reactionary, inconsistent, and opaque system of punishment.) While most people who responded to my tweet seemed to agree, I also got a couple of responses that a crime should be handled by the law and it isn’t up to baseball to punish Reyes (or anyone else who might commit a crime).

While you personally might not care about how baseball disciplines players (see the following point), please keep in mind that baseball is a business and that players are employees. If a player provides bad public relations, MLB or a team is well within its rights, as defined by the Collective Bargaining Agreement, to punish him — especially since the new domestic violence policy was agreed to by the league and the player’s association. No team should feel obligated to continue to keep running out a player whose presence is going to upset fans.

Third, accept that other fans are going to come to different conclusions. It (probably) doesn’t make them bad people. Remember the part about baseball being irrational? It’s hard to turn off our admiration for a player because he might not be a great person. It’s probable that this season, some fans are going to be faced with the dilemma of rooting for a player they might not want to be friends with. Rockies fans will cheer for Jose Reyes, and Reds or Dodgers or Mystery Team fans will be rooting for Aroldis Chapman. They will have to decide: do I want to see this guy baffle opposing hitters with a 101 mph fastball wearing the colors that I love, or do I want him to fail? Can I watch this without cringing? Can I enjoy this stupendous athletic achievement?

I consider myself to be a bit of an expert on this topic. When I told my sister what I was writing about, she said “you know a lot about rooting for jerks, since you love Barry Bonds.” She’s not wrong. Rather than writing all the reasons I love Barry Bonds, I’d rather just suggest that you read this piece by Grant Brisbee and say that like Grant, I am a lifelong Giants fan and he and I are close in age. Barry Bonds was clearly a jerk in his playing days, and not a good person. And it’s not that I don’t care. I do care; I wish he hadn’t been a jerk, and I especially wish that people would care more about his track record on domestic violence than the PED use, which I don’t really care about and is much less important in the scheme of things. But as a fan — as an irrational human who can’t turn off my adolescent memories of years of cheering for the greatest hitter of my lifetime, I still think he’s the best.

Other people, pretty clearly, disagree with me. Some of them are probably already in the comments section below. That’s okay. It’s allowed. They aren’t bad people, and they aren’t even wrong. (Unless they think that Barry Bonds is not the all time home run king, which is clearly correct because numbers prove it. But even not being able to count probably doesn’t make them bad people.)

But being angry at other fans, or fans of other teams, for not coming to the same conclusion when determining how to react to a player’s misdeeds is a waste of time. The intersection of the irrationality of sports fandom and the seriousness of crime or unfortunate moral sentiment is always going to result in a personal calculation that is hard to judge fairly and entirely without hypocrisy.

Baseball is a proxy for real world conflicts, but the players we watch are not a proxy for reality – they are real people, with real faults. But while a player might be a jerk, that’s not an excuse for fans to follow in his footsteps.


The San Francisco Giants once turned one of Kyla Wall-Polin's ideas into a promotional item. Her primary goal in life is to get Jon Heyman to unblock her on Twitter. Follow her on Twitter @fifthstarter.
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Mike
8 years ago

I think we all know storylines around sports are scripted to mold a conversation. How much press time did ‘air in footballs’ get this summer vs concussion issues?
Why does a guy with a stick get to assault someone in the context of a game when in the real world he would be charged?

Carl
8 years ago

I root for teams, and not the jerks. As a long-time Yankee fan, would cringe at the site of jerks in the line-up. Would then root for A-Roid to strike out and Clemens to get hit hard (but the Yankees comeback to win after he left the game).

Laurie
8 years ago
Reply to  Carl

You are me! Or I am you- or something like that. Unlike the author, I DO care about the PED use, and what it says about the player when they choose (sometimes more than once) to cheat by using it. I’ll save my cheers for players who work hard and play the game the right way, whether their results are earth-shattering or not.

Bob
8 years ago

Kyla’s line about seven-year-olds and color made me laugh. I live in Wisconsin, and my younger son is a life-long (all 18 years of it) Oakland A’s Fan. Why? Because his favorite color is green, and when he was three he saw them on the television machine and decided there and then that they were his favorite team.

On another note, it is difficult to root for jerks. It was great being a Cubs Fan this year — not only because the team was good, but also because it was refreshingly jerk-free. It wasn’t too long ago Milton Bradley was a Cub. Ugh.

I think Carl has the right idea when he says to root for the team and not the jerks.

Adrian
8 years ago

I love baseball, obviously, since I read this article. I am also a homosexual. I’m well aware that many athletes – esp baseball players – tend to have conservative, dare I say, bigoted? views. Regarding David Murphy’s comments above – I don’t like them and I believe it demonstrates that he is small minded. But deplorable? Nah. If he called for homosexuals to be banned from baseball (or forced to wear a scarlet letter) that would be deplorable. Punching and slamming another human being’s head against the wall is deplorable as well. Saying “I disagree with that lifestyle,” while lame in my opinion, is far front the same thing. Just sharing my thoughts. Enjoyed the article.

Richie
8 years ago
Reply to  Adrian

I don’t care for the ‘conservative=bigoted’ suggestion, as liberals are just as bigoted as conservatives, just in different ways. Otherwise, right on. (or ‘left on’, for you weirdo sinister types [‘leftie’ means ‘sinister’ in Latin, or so I’ve heard])

I imagine anywhere between 5-25% of folks out there are are prejudiced against some or another aspect of me and/or the life I live. Which is pretty mainstream, actually. Those that are nevertheless willing to ‘invest in me as a person’ are mature, rather than deplorable.

The belief that “he’s prejudiced against people I like so he’s deplorable!!!” is immature. Though also very human.

Mark L
8 years ago
Reply to  Richie

I’m interested to know what you consider the “bigotry” of the left, as it’s almost always used (by the right) as a synonym for “disagrees with something I believe in”. Unless you’re comparing the desire to concealed-carry a deadly weapon, to the lifelong struggle of being homosexual?

If you want to stop being called bigoted, don’t be bigoted. Tarring the other side with the same brush is just meaningless.

Giggle
8 years ago
Reply to  Mark L

Only people I don’t like can be bigoted!

Talk about meaningless.

Glen Dundas
8 years ago
Reply to  Adrian

I think it’s fine that Daniel Murphy has these views….

But they are his private beliefs and he should keep them to his home (and his church, if he wishes)..

Once he speaks publicly, he shows his racist side…

james wilson
8 years ago
Reply to  Glen Dundas

Homosexuals are not a race, moron.

Tramps Like Us
8 years ago
Reply to  Glen Dundas

If Murphy can’t express his opinion, why would it be OK for those who take the other side of the argument to express theirs? “Our team welcomes anyone of any sexual orientation if they can help the team. ” What’s the difference?

Kyle
8 years ago
Reply to  Tramps Like Us

Do you genuinely not see the difference between the two? Seriously? It shouldn’t need to be explained…

CCSAGE
8 years ago
Reply to  Adrian

Thank you for your honesty Adrian. All to often these days we hear the pundits resort to hyperbole to defame folks that have a difference of opinion. Daniel Murphy was careful with his wording and like the author says ‘words matter’. To describe what Murphy said as ‘abhorrent’ is improper. I ten to agree with Murphy, which (understandably) is lame in your point of view, but the larger point that he was trying to express is that we can have meaningful relationships with people even if we disagree with a lifestyle or political point of view.

Cameron
8 years ago

Really good article – I’ve been thinking some of the same things lately and I’m glad someone put it into words!

Marc Schneider
8 years ago

The fact is, we know nothing about the personality or character of any of the players, despite what we think. Guys that appear to be exemplars of good citizenship may be cheating on their taxes or on their wives. So you might be rooting for jerks without even knowing it. But, aside from that, I see no problem with rooting for someone to perform their job well, even if they are lousy people. It’s no different, really, than if you go to a doctor who is an asshole. If he or she cures what ails you, you don’t have to like them, but you can still appreciate his skill at his job. The fact is, there are many public figures, presidents and others, who we consider morally upright figures, who have skeletons in their closet. That doesn’t invalidate what they do. Obviously, there are limits to how far you can take this. Murderers cannot be allowed to play sports. There are players that I have a hard time rooting for-Barry Bonds for instance. But if I was a Giants fan, I would not have had any problem rooting for him to hit a home run-because it helps my team. You aren’t rooting for human beings; you are rooting for employees who have a job to do. I disagree with the idea that you have to like the player to root for his performance. Now, having said that, I think it’s the responsibility of the team/league to set standards of behavior for their employees-just as in any business. You can argue that Ray Rice, or Greg Hardy, or Arnoldis Chapman should not be playing. But, if the decision is made to allow them to play, as a fan of a given team, I have no problem with rooting for them to do their job, just as I have no problem with hoping that the doctor who is a louse does his/her job well. It has nothing to do with rooting for the person.

Moreover, when you talk about someone being a “jerk,” there are different levels. Someone might be a jerk because they are arrogant and nasty. Others might be ok personally but commit violent acts. There is obviously, to me, a difference here. Someone who is a domestic abuser is on a different level of “jerkiness” than someone who is just nasty to fans. People seem to hate A-Rod but, as far as we know, he hasn’t hurt anyone. (And, IMO, it’s nobody’s damn business if an athlete cheats on their spouse. It’s not as if only athletes commit adultery.)

The fact is, as Charles Barkley said, I think people should stop expecting athletes to be some kind of role models. They are people doing a job and, as in any profession, some will be good people and some will not be.

hopbitters
8 years ago
Reply to  Marc Schneider

I’m OK with being called a jerk. Or being a jerk. Sometimes I root for jerks because they’re great players and I like to see them do amazing things. Sometimes I root for lousy players because I like them. Sometimes I root for players because they have funny names. Sometimes I root against players that are probably nicer people than the people I root for. Sometimes I root for Red Sox players even though I’m a Yankees fan. Sometimes I root for players because everybody else thinks they’re a jerk and I just like to be contrary. Today, on my morning commute, I listened to a Miles Davis album, as I often do. Miles abused drugs, wives, and bandmates. Also, he was one of the finest musicians to ever walk the planet. Neither of those facts diminish the other, but for some reason, they coexist anyway. If you start scrutinizing too closely, you’ll just give yourself a headache. And I’ll root for the headache.

Richie
8 years ago
Reply to  hopbitters

Jazz sucks big-time. Father of Our Country Bill James said so. Gosh you’re a jerk.

hopbitters
8 years ago
Reply to  Richie

That’s OK, Richie. I’m still rooting for ya.

baseballfan123
8 years ago
Reply to  Marc Schneider

Well said sir. People often have a problem differentiating atheltes and famous people as “idols” instead of regular human beings who are skilled at something. As long as they play the game the right way and don’t constantly fall into a trap (drugs, fights, PEDs, bigotry, etc), I don’t have a problem at all with it, you can still root for them as athletes and not like them as a person. Think of your co-worker who is really good and skilled at his of her job, you can work with him/her and you like to have them work for your company, but you would not invite him for thanksgiving dinner.

Kyle
8 years ago

This was a very interesting read. I’m very glad you included your third point, that each fan will come to their own conclusions. Being a Christian, I share the same beliefs as Daniel Murphy; so when I first found out about his comments, I didn’t think he was a jerk, my respect for him actually grew. I just think it’s a shame the media blew it out of proportion. He was clearly targeted (given his history of missing Opening Day for the birth of his child), he took the opportunity to share Christianity, and the media ripped him apart. I totally agree using harmful words is a jerk move, but I know that wasn’t his intention. I wish people could see that. Murphy also said, “Maybe, as a Christian, we haven’t been as articulate enough in describing what our actual stance is on homosexuality… just because I disagree with the lifestyle doesn’t mean I’m just never going to speak to Billy Bean every time he walks through the door. That’s not love. That’s not love at all.”

Richie
8 years ago
Reply to  Kyle

Gay rights is a cutting edge cultural issue. Perhaps THE! cutting edge cultural issue. A public figure can’t discuss such matters, other than to parrot exactly what his particular audience wants to hear on it. No point served in asking a silly baseball player what he thinks on it, other than to play ‘Gotcha!’ on the naive.

Adrian
8 years ago
Reply to  Kyle

This is very lovely, Murphy’s entire comments. Thanks for posting. He doesn’t sound like a jerk at all.

Marc Schneider
8 years ago
Reply to  Kyle

I don’t want to make this a culture war issue, but, IMO, being gay is not a “life style.” It’s who people are, like being blond or tall, or heterosexual. I can’t imagine someone choosing to have sex with someone they are not attracted to simply to prove a point.

Having said that, people can be very nice people in other respects while still holding views that one might find troubling. That’s certainly true within my own family. Life is complicated. The point is, while I find Murphy’s comments problematic, I’m not ready to write him off as a jerk simply because of those comments. Having said that, if he said something offensive about Jews, I would likely not be so forgiving. The point is, though, that if I were a Mets fan, it’s not going to stop me from rooting for the team and, in effect, rooting for Murphy to help the team.

Mark L
8 years ago
Reply to  Kyle

Maybe Christians should realise they’ve lost the whole homosexuality debate, just like they’ve lost so many others down the centuries, and concentrate on helping people, not spreading hate towards an already incredibly oppressed group.

brian
8 years ago

This is gay

Hits to close to home....
8 years ago

“Before you decide to defend a player who has done something naughty, consider whether you would like to experience that sort of behavior in your place of work.”

Happens everyday, and when it comes from your boss you want to do nothing but completely go into defense mechanism mode and shut down and do no work (which could get you fired) or you wind up just quitting, because an “AVERAGE JOE” like me doesn’t have a ton of options like an MLB player. Its not easy finding another job. No one has to take a chance on you. I quit, no regrets, but I have been unemployed for 2 1/2 years now. And I get it, I really do. Ethics, morality, character, Integrity – AND HAVING SOME DON’T put food on the table. But I would prefer to be unemployed, uninsured, homeless, alone and dead WITH INTEGRITY, than suffer through what I was put through, but please don’t call it a “choice.” A forced choice is not a choice.

Kyle
8 years ago

Oh man, I sincerely apologize. Rereading, my comment did not come out right, I’m the true jerk of the thread. No more comments from me

Joel
8 years ago

As a Red Sox fan, I’ve had my fair share of jerks to endure. Several of them were essential to the Sox’ landmark World Series victory in 2004 (Schilling, notably, but also Manny Ramirez and Mike Timlin). Generally, I just acknowledge that I’m rooting for the laundry, and that’s about it. It helps with other sports, too (Tom Brady’s dalliance with Trump springs immediately to mind).

Eric C
8 years ago

You know, it is funny how one’s opinion can change quickly on someone, in both directions. Michael Cuddyer retired last night, and it’s unclear whether he is receiving a buyout. I spent all year annoyed at the signing, since he cost us a draft pick and was not productive. He decided to retire, to walk away from money, so he can spend time with his family, because injuries and surgeries kept piling up, and because he knew he was not the player he used to be. I feel it’s a classy decision.

I guess what I am saying is that sometimes you have these moments where you also have someone wearing your team’s colors who does something that you couldn’t imagine doing. Cuddyer has earned my respect and I will remember him fondly (despite the mediocre year) based on the way his tenure ended. I don’t know that, in his shoes, I could walk away from $12.5 million guaranteed, even with all the money he’s made previously.

Paul G.
8 years ago

Rant forthcoming. You have been warned.

Have you ever spent time as part of a baseball team? I don’t mean as a fan. I mean as part of a team: a player, a coach, part of the staff? If you have, this is a silly question.

Baseball teams are composed of diverse individuals who, shockingly, do not always get along. Unless you happen to be dealing with the rare squad where high drama is deciding what key to sing “Kumbaya,” some people on the team are not going to like other people on the team. That’s OK. Unless you joined the team solely as a social club, presumably the reason you joined was to accomplish some goal that was primarily not about making friends. If you make friends, that’s awesome. But the reason there is a team is to go out there and win something, to improve your skills for future endeavors, to make money and/or earn a scholarship, to support your local community, and/or perhaps to fulfill some requirement that events have conspired to force you to do, among other things. Keep you eye on the ball.

Or do you think that every team is harmonious? I assure you that conflict is a normal part of sports, both internally and externally. Players and coaches are going to clash over playing time. There will be big egos. There will be prickly personalities. There will be skirt chasing womanizers, uptight strict religious folk of all varieties (including atheists), strong opinionated guys who have never heard of tact, super cheery optimists that get on people’s nerves, super depressed pessimists who get on people’s nerves, guys competing over the affections of the same girl and her brother trying to keep them away, super motivated players with limited talent and highly talented players who really don’t care that frustrate each other to no end, indecisive jellyfish who annoy everyone eventually, pranksters who occasionally take things too far, professional victims, general trolls, and so forth and so on. And I haven’t even gotten to the serious stuff like addicts, criminals, and harmful prejudice. (And, no, having a differing opinion from someone else is not “serious” unless you are the most intolerant sort. Fainting couches are available.) If you scan the roster of a typical baseball team, I would say at least half of them qualify as “jerks” to someone else on the team. Have you seen the movie Major League? It may be exaggerated for comedic value, but one of the reasons that movie is so funny is teams are like that.

Frankly, this is not much different than any other human collaboration. Have you had a job that involved interacting with co-workers? Have you had a part in a play that was not a one man show? Have you even attended a church or other religious institution on a regular basis? Are you a member of a family? There will be people who you don’t like. Such is life. Healthy people try to get past it, get along, and do their jobs, and hope that the “jerks” do their jobs as well.

Yes, there will be super toxic members from time to time that want the team to fail or all die in a barn fire or some other whatever. Obviously, they have to go. Keep in mind that the super toxic individual may in fact be, at least superficially, the “victim.” Not everyone is a good fit everywhere. The fact that the person is a “jerk” does not make them toxic, necessarily.

So, yeah, there will be “jerks” on baseball teams. So what? You want the “jerk” to do well because when he does well it helps you too. That’s life. If, as a fan, you consider yourself as part of team, then you cheer for the team, warts and all. Cheering against the “jerk” is simply cheering against the team. And, no, the logic that I hope the “jerk” fails miserably but the team wins is not really cheering for the team, unless you mean it in the most hypothetical way or you have a fairy godmother that can somehow make that happen. It’s like hoping Patton fails because he is a meanie but somehow the Allies still win World War II. (I will grant that you can hope the team trades the “jerk” for someone just as good and you like better may be acceptable, though I doubt the Reich would offer Rommel and a lieutenant to be named later.)

Finally, for those of you who insist that you cannot cheer for a team because you cannot tolerate the “jerk,” I assure you that you are a serious slacker. Odds are that by your definition there are at least a handful of full-fledged “jerks” on the team and quite a few more that should be on your watch list, but apparently you have not taken the time to thoroughly study the matter. Frankly, if you cannot deal with a baseball team with members you despise, you should seriously reconsider your infatuation with baseball in particular and human interaction in general. If you are one of those people who cannot tolerate anyone who disagrees with you, as a first step you probably shouldn’t be on the Internet. I’m sure the cat in the funny picture has some truly offensively retrograde views on rodents. If that fails, locking yourself in to your place of shelter indefinitely will guarantee bliss, a safe space of conformity and tranquility. Just don’t be surprised if everyone else wonders whatever happened to that “jerk.”

JT
8 years ago
Reply to  Paul G.

Wow. This is one of the most true things I have ever read in the comment sections of the internet. I play high school baseball, and our team last season was so good (20-5) because of the team chemistry we had, but that doesn’t mean everyone got along. Each one of those scenarios you listed above, there was one of them on that team. But as a team, you just have to accept who all these guys are and carry on. You root for everybody, even the jerks who are taking playing time from you, but the better they do the better you do and the better the team does, and that is the ultimate goal of playing anyway, its to WIN.

jake
8 years ago

“As long as people continue to use hurtful language and engage in hurtful behavior (i.e., always) we’re going to be conflicted over how to handle it.”

Just because Daniel Murphy disagrees religiously with a certain way of life his views are hateful? He said that he will not write off the people because of their way of life. He is accepting and is willing to accept people even though he disagrees with their lifestyle. I bet the writer of this article disagrees with many people’s lifestyles. This is the chick fil a argument. Daniel Murphy is allowed to have whatever beliefs he wants and vocalize them however he wants because we live in America. Just because chick fil a does not open on Sunday and the CEO won’t support gay marriage does it mean they will not serve food to people that identify as homosexual? It does not. Im sick of people twisting words to their utmost worst meaning even when those that speak them are not trying to send a disrespectful message.

Marc Schneider
8 years ago
Reply to  jake

You really don’t get it do you? I’m Jewish; if someone says, you know, I disagree with your religion but, I don’t want to kill you, I just disagree with your “lifestyle.” I would find that offensive; in fact, I find it offensive when Christians, such as Ann Coulter, make statements about she wishes Jews would become Christians. It might not be hateful, but it is offensive.

The problem is, when Murphy says he disagrees wit ha particular “way of life,” with respect to homosexuality, what he is saying is not much different than saying, I have nothing against red heads, but I find their “lifestyle” offensive. Because I don’t think gay people have any more choice in their sexual preferences than heterosexual people do. It’s not a choice, which saying it’s a lifestyle implies. That’s what offensive about it. I understand that Daniel Murphy and many Christians are uncomfortable with homosexuality on religious grounds and that’s their right. But they don’t seem to understand that by saying, I don’t condemn the person, just their lifestyle, you are condemning the person. Just like Ann Coulter is condemning Jews when he says we should all convert. Daniel Murphy said what he said; I don’t think that makes him the most evil person in the world. But, please don’t pretend that what he said is not offensive or hurtful even if it’s not intended to be. It’s Christians’ inability to understand that that makes it hard to have a conversation. You might as well say, I have nothing against black people, I just think they are inferior to whites. Christians want to pretend that it’s not the same, but, frankly, it is and, while I’m no biblical scholar, there is biblical support for racism.

Giggle
8 years ago
Reply to  Marc Schneider

I’m no biblical scholar.

No truer words have been said. Mind: closed.

BSmith
8 years ago

If you disagree with Polygamy or Beastiality does that make you intolerant or your views abhorrent?

Marc Schneider
8 years ago
Reply to  BSmith

Do you actually not understand why that is so offensive? I guess not. If someone said, “you know I disagree with Christianity as a lifestyle (which is actually chosen) and I compare it to incest,” that wouldn’t bother you?

Tramps Like Us
8 years ago

Also a Giants fan, since 1965. Do not like Bonds. Not a bit. But was able to compartmentalize that. Helluva player, obviously…..able to cheer for him on the field. I like to wear jerseys, and you will never catch me in a Bonds shirt or jersey. Mays….McCovey…..Matt Williams…..Clark (either one)…..and by not wearing Bonds gear, I am able to separate my affections from personal versus professional opinion. Not that hard.

Marc Schneider
8 years ago

To me, this would be more of an issue in individual sports, where you are actually rooting for the player. Tiger Woods is the obvious example, but, on some level, Jimmy Connors and John McEnroe were both jerks on the court but great players. In a team sport, you can root for Barry Bonds to do well because it helps your team, even if you don’t like Bonds. But, being a jerk like Connors or McEnroe or Bonds is one thing; they don’t really hurt anyone (as far as I know). But, if your team has someone like Greg Hardy on it raises a different issue; the team is responsible for, and actively pursued, having, arguably, a criminal abuser who has hurt someone and seems not to have any remorse. That’s when you have to think about whether you should continue rooting for the team. It’s not realistic, especially in football, but if fans stopped going to see guys like this, perhaps teams would be more wary about having them on the team. And, I’m willing to say, give guys a chance if they seem to be trying to change, but, in Hardy’s case, he doesn’t seem to give a damn.

The Baseball Gods
8 years ago

I thought we were pretty clear about how we felt about bigoted comments when Daniel Murphy made two errors in the World Series. Yeah, that’s right, Murph. We’re just as real as your Christian god.

Marc Schneider
8 years ago

The problem I have with the whole Murphy thing is that there is a lot of “gotcha” going on. Reporters ask players how they feel about, say, having a gay teammate, and then are shocked when someone says something anti-gay, as if they are surprised that there are people who don’t like gays. It’s like in the movie “Casablanca” when Louis shuts down the café, saying he is shocked that gambling is going on-right before he gets his winnings. If you are going to ask questions like that-and expect honest answers-you are going to get responses like that and to crucify the guy because he said something that we all know a lot of people in this country feel just seems hypocritical to me.

Frank Jackson
8 years ago

As for what’s bigoted and what isn’t…reminds me of a joke making the rounds these days:

What’s the definition of a right-wing extremist?

Someone who has the same values his parents had.

Kyle
8 years ago

“I disagree with his lifestyle. I do disagree with the fact that Daniel Murphy is a christian. That doesn’t mean I can’t still invest in him and get to know him. I don’t think the fact that someone is a christian should completely shut the door on investing in them in a relational aspect. Getting to know him. That, I would say, you can still accept them but I do disagree with the lifestyle, 100 percent.”